Gasoline primer

[xoxoxoBruce]

16% of our energy consumption, is in the form of gasoline, according to the primer.
Everything you ever were allowed to know about gasoline marketing and pricing.

[blue]

Thanks for sharing Bruce...Jesus am I on the right board?

I'm mostly here to take pity on you with your post with 0 replies.

Everyone's gone for the big weekend, Blue. Its you and me kid.

We're a nation of gas guzzlers. Uhmmm... Love those fumes and those dotted yellow lines. Between the two of them, they'll always keep me flyin'.

[wolf]

That's what got you into trouble in the first place.

No fumes for you!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by blue
Thanks for sharing Bruce...Jesus am I on the right board?

I'm mostly here to take pity on you with your post with 0 replies.

It's not a chat room, blue. People get to it when they can/wish. People that have lives and jobs that keep them off the PC, most of the time. LJ said something about keeping up a running string of posts so people have something to read every couple of hours, and not wander away. But people that can only get on the board once a day, or less, can't keep up with the threads and they'll be driven away. How many times have you seen someone post, "I've been away a week/few days and the whole place has changed/gone to hell." There's an awful lot of us that don't use a computer at work, or if we do, can't go net surfing. So, no need to feel sorry, if I find it interesting, I'll post it and people can take it or leave it in their own good time.

[blue]

It was a joke Bruce.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yes it was.

[cowhead]

interesting article... thanks for posting it...

[Yelof]

I am reading this book at the moment and although I know "the end of the world is coming" is something that a lot of people have been shouting for quite a while a lot of what the author write makes a lot of sense to me.
Basically the argument can be reduced to one that our economy requires growth, but how can growth continue infinitely in a finite world? Without cheap energy intensive fuel to power our economy it will collapse. Soon demand for oil will outstrip cheap supplies for it and the price of oil will head upward and will stay there (the Peak oil concept ).

I would be interested if anyone who disagrees with this author could recommend me a book from the other side of the argument as I have scared myself silly and could do with some calming down

[Troubleshooter]

Not that I necessarily agree with them, or disagree with your author, I haven't looked into it enough yet, but here you go.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...929569-0126002

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/origins.html

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/pi/..._workshop.html

http://longislandpress.com/v02/i17040429/news_01.asp

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/oil.htm

[Yelof]

Thanks for that troubleshooter, I had heard of the "hot deep" theory before.

I have downloaded Gold's 1992 paper and will study it at dept when I have time.

One thing strikes me is if oil is a renewable resource why did oil production in the US peak in 1970 and why has it not recovered yet?

perhaps it is possible that oil is a biotic product but the process of it's biotic creation is slow and reservoirs can be emptied and only refill in timescales that are of no use to Mankind

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by Yelof

Thanks for that troubleshooter, I had heard of the "hot deep" theory before.

I have downloaded Gold's 1992 paper and will study it at dept when I have time.

One thing strikes me is if oil is a renewable resource why did oil production in the US peak in 1970 and why has it not recovered yet?

perhaps it is possible that oil is a biotic product but the process of it's biotic creation is slow and reservoirs can be emptied and only refill in timescales that are of no use to Mankind

It could also be a function of market trends or possibly a policy designed to forcibly limit the market or a limitation of production capacity as opposed to available reserves.

[xoxoxoBruce]

An awful lot of the wells you see throughout the south and southwest, are the old pump type. The oil doesn't "gush" anymore and it's difficult/expensive to extract. Those wells are shut down unless the market price exceeds a threshhold that makes it economically viable to open them again.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

An awful lot of the wells you see throughout the south and southwest, are the old pump type. The oil doesn't "gush" anymore and it's difficult/expensive to extract. Those wells are shut down unless the market price exceeds a threshhold that makes it economically viable to open them again.

I'll try to find an article on it but one of the theories to reinvigorate the wells is to start flooding them with saltwater and float the oil up as well as preventing underground pockets from forming.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I remember seeing an illustration in some magazine where they were injecting water under high pressure into something like every 3rd or 4th well in a field. That forced the oil that was trapped in the sand and shale, to migrate toward the wells that were still pumping. It seemed like an attempt to strip the bottom of the barrel, so to speak.