Everyone remembers Wil Weaton ... Don't they!?

Chris MC · 06-02-2003, 06:52 AM

I've just read this marvelous frontpeace to Wil's new site. Sorta puts things into perspective for me.

I think Wil would make a very good personal friend.

Quote:

By reading this website, you will get to know the real me, not the space-suited, enterprising young ensign, or the sweet, vulnerable little dead body seeker.

Chris.

SteveDallas · 06-02-2003, 08:42 AM

Oh yeah, Wil has done quite a good job (at least among the geekly community) of shedding the image of Wesley Crusher, Boy Ensign. (I always wonder why they kept him around on the show... the character seemed to be almost universally loathed. It would have been very easy to have him killed in an antimatter inversion while he was trying to recalibrate the Jeffries tubes, or ship him off to a boarding school somewhere.)

juju · 06-02-2003, 09:43 AM

The character of Wesley Crusher is a perfect example of how kid discrimination works. He's a freakin' genius, and yet none of the crew ever respect him. They treat him like shit, and that always pissed me off -- mostly because that's exactly how I felt when I was a kid. Not that I was a genius, just that no one gave a shit about anything I ever had to say. It was always made abundantly clear, on both the Enterprise and in my world.

Also, people alway say they hate Wesley because he always "saved the day". So, a kid can't save the day, can he?? He's a <i>genius</i>. That's why he saves the day. And the only reason it pisses people off is because they can't stand the fact that a kid could ever be smarter than an adult.

That's why he was always one of my favorite characters. Because fuck everyone, and their assholish ways.

Odd_Bloke · 06-02-2003, 10:15 AM

No, they hate him because he is a little piece of something unpleasant!!! He is too goody-two-shoes. He is one-dimesional crap! He gives bleeding kid geniuses (genei?) a bad name!!!

juju · 06-02-2003, 12:59 PM

Yeah, but I'm saying that the source for all that anger is simple prejudice.

06-02-2003, 01:06 PM

Perhaps, Señor Omniscient, and perhaps not. You seem prejudiced against those who didn't appreciate the Crusher character. You're somehow different or better?

Undertoad · 06-02-2003, 01:20 PM

I never understood the animosity towards the Wesley character. There was equally bad writing and characterization for almost all the characters.

The only one that was well thought-out from the start was Data, and even then they hadda give him the stupidest name possible.

juju · 06-02-2003, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by dave
Perhaps, Señor Omniscient, and perhaps not. You seem prejudiced against those who didn't appreciate the Crusher character. You're somehow different or better?

Sort of. I'm prejudiced against people who judge others soley based on their age. And sure, I freely admit that it's only my opinion.

Odd_Bloke · 06-02-2003, 01:42 PM

OK, for the record, I'm 15. And see my opinions above.

juju · 06-02-2003, 02:00 PM

So, what is it about him you don't like, then? <i>Why</i> is he a piece of shit? Just bad acting, or a one-dimensional character, or what?

Odd_Bloke · 06-02-2003, 02:16 PM

I think it's the fact he is a one-dimensional character (more so than other TNG characters). Had he had more time on screen (and been less annoying (and no, I don't know why he is so)) I might of liked him. As it is, he wasn't much worse than the rest of the cast (though I did like Data and La Forge).

Griff · 06-02-2003, 02:46 PM

We hated him because of his clothes.

juju · 06-02-2003, 03:02 PM

lol... grey spandex??

Chris MC · 06-02-2003, 03:18 PM

I always found him, and still do, quite cute. Not the least bit annoying. Not as cute as Troi and mother Crusher tho

still remember seeing their exercise sessions.

Chris.

Hmmm! "mother Crusher"

hot_pastrami · 06-02-2003, 03:38 PM

Occasionally Wesley was pretty whiny. Old or young, whiny people are obnoxious. More to the point though, the character was uninteresting. The writers made the character that most of the audience would have identified best with (young conmputer geek) a flat, flavorless, whiny kid in spandex.

Not to knock Wil's acting, he was doing his best with the crap he was handed.

06-02-2003, 10:15 AM	#4
Odd_Bloke Resident Denizen Join Date: May 2003 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 60	No, they hate him because he is a little piece of something unpleasant!!! He is too goody-two-shoes. He is one-dimesional crap! He gives bleeding kid geniuses (genei?) a bad name!!! __________________ "I am after all," said Pooh, "a bear of little brain." - A.A. Milne

06-02-2003, 01:42 PM	#9
Odd_Bloke Resident Denizen Join Date: May 2003 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 60	OK, for the record, I'm 15. And see my opinions above. __________________ "I am after all," said Pooh, "a bear of little brain." - A.A. Milne

06-02-2003, 02:16 PM	#11
Odd_Bloke Resident Denizen Join Date: May 2003 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 60	I think it's the fact he is a one-dimensional character (more so than other TNG characters). Had he had more time on screen (and been less annoying (and no, I don't know why he is so)) I might of liked him. As it is, he wasn't much worse than the rest of the cast (though I did like Data and La Forge). __________________ "I am after all," said Pooh, "a bear of little brain." - A.A. Milne

06-02-2003, 02:46 PM	#12
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	We hated him because of his clothes. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-02-2003, 03:18 PM	#14
Chris MC IT'S IN THE TREES! ... IT'S COMING! ... Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I moved down to Southampton on the central South Coast in 1967 Posts: 101	I always found him, and still do, quite cute. Not the least bit annoying. Not as cute as Troi and mother Crusher tho still remember seeing their exercise sessions. Chris. Hmmm! "mother Crusher" __________________ "It's people who don't come to places like this that I worry about. The ones who don't have an outlet. Say ... someone like yourself." "Oh, I have outlets. I read. I study bugs. I sometimes even ride roller coasters." "And your sex life?" "It doesn't involve going to the theater." "In my experience, Mr. Grissom, some men go to the theater ... some men are the theater." -- Lady Heather and Gil Grissom (Slaves of Las Vegas)

06-02-2003, 08:42 AM	#2
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Oh yeah, Wil has done quite a good job (at least among the geekly community) of shedding the image of Wesley Crusher, Boy Ensign. (I always wonder why they kept him around on the show... the character seemed to be almost universally loathed. It would have been very easy to have him killed in an antimatter inversion while he was trying to recalibrate the Jeffries tubes, or ship him off to a boarding school somewhere.)

06-02-2003, 09:43 AM	#3
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	The character of Wesley Crusher is a perfect example of how kid discrimination works. He's a freakin' genius, and yet none of the crew ever respect him. They treat him like shit, and that always pissed me off -- mostly because that's exactly how I felt when I was a kid. Not that I was a genius, just that no one gave a shit about anything I ever had to say. It was always made abundantly clear, on both the Enterprise and in my world. Also, people alway say they hate Wesley because he always "saved the day". So, a kid can't save the day, can he?? He's a <i>genius</i>. That's why he saves the day. And the only reason it pisses people off is because they can't stand the fact that a kid could ever be smarter than an adult. That's why he was always one of my favorite characters. Because fuck everyone, and their assholish ways.

06-02-2003, 12:59 PM	#5
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Yeah, but I'm saying that the source for all that anger is simple prejudice.

06-02-2003, 01:06 PM	#6
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Perhaps, Señor Omniscient, and perhaps not. You seem prejudiced against those who didn't appreciate the Crusher character. You're somehow different or better?

06-02-2003, 01:20 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I never understood the animosity towards the Wesley character. There was equally bad writing and characterization for almost all the characters. The only one that was well thought-out from the start was Data, and even then they hadda give him the stupidest name possible.

06-02-2003, 02:00 PM	#10
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	So, what is it about him you don't like, then? <i>Why</i> is he a piece of shit? Just bad acting, or a one-dimensional character, or what?

06-02-2003, 03:02 PM	#13
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	lol... grey spandex??

06-02-2003, 03:38 PM	#15
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	Occasionally Wesley was pretty whiny. Old or young, whiny people are obnoxious. More to the point though, the character was uninteresting. The writers made the character that most of the audience would have identified best with (young conmputer geek) a flat, flavorless, whiny kid in spandex. Not to knock Wil's acting, he was doing his best with the crap he was handed. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

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