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Old 07-05-2017, 05:38 PM   #1
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Women Movie Villains

Lots of questions about the limited women's roles in movies, but no roles more than villains.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:00 PM   #2
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Or because filmmakers assume that for the threat to be credible it has to come from a male source. Facing and beating a male super villain grants status to the hero - besting a woman is just to be expected because she's only a woman. It doesn't grant status - if the hero has to really struggle to overcome the male villain it increases his status further - but if he has to really struggle to overcome the female villain it actively reduces his status.

I remember spending time on some gaming and general geek forums and some of the disdain and even anger at the idea of female super heroes kicking about with male heroes and winning fights was amazing. It always baffled me, because they were willing to suspend disbelief at the notion of a man flying, turning into a mutant, or being given superpowers by a spider bite - but the idea that a woman could beat a man in a fight was a stretch too far. Why? Maybe because they wanted to imagine themselves in that narrative and a powerful woman was not what they wanted in there with them. Or because a woman's presence in that fantasy on an even footing with male characters devalued it by reducing the status of any male character who fought her.

Woman are allowed to be heroes and villains as long as the primary weapons they employ are sex and cunning.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:30 PM   #3
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I'd like to see those stats broken down by just kid movies. Lots of kid movies have female villains.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:55 PM   #4
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Or because filmmakers assume that for the threat to be credible it has to come from a male source. Facing and beating a male super villain grants status to the hero - besting a woman is just to be expected because she's only a woman. It doesn't grant status - if the hero has to really struggle to overcome the male villain it increases his status further - but if he has to really struggle to overcome the female villain it actively reduces his status.
Yes that was pretty much where I was going with the 5 questions I wrote under the graph.

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Woman are allowed to be heroes and villains as long as the primary weapons they employ are sex and cunning.
Using their Cun... nevermind

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I'd like to see those stats broken down by just kid movies. Lots of kid movies have female villains.
No kiddie movies...
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To see, we compiled demographic data on the villains in the ten highest-grossing action films (domestically) from each of the last 30 years, looking at age, race, gender, occupation, motivation, and much more. (Excluded were sci-fantasy movies set in other worlds, though ones set on contemporary Earth were included. Period pieces were also excluded.) From Lethal Weapon to Jason Bourne, from Speed to Spectre, these graphs represent 300 of the past three decadesí most high-profile baddies. Note to Hollywood: Women can commit crimes, too.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:34 AM   #5
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Just watched a movie with a woman villain three days ago: "Okja"

(I hated it, but everyone else will love it!)
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:17 PM   #6
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The character 'Ma Ma' in "Dredd", the remake of Judge Dredd.

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:19 PM   #7
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I remember spending time on some gaming and general geek forums and some of the disdain and even anger at the idea of female super heroes kicking about with male heroes and winning fights was amazing.
Until they were shuttered, the IMDB forums were full of that crap.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:39 AM   #8
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I'd like to see those stats broken down by just kid movies. Lots of kid movies have female villains.
To riff off Dana, there isn't that status threat when kids best a female villain.

Hollywood's reality leaves a lot of people out in the cold. Alec Baldwin's latest is as a blind man. I saw it described as putting on a disability costume. Baldwin sells tickets but...
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All the female villains are in Disney flix.
101 Dalmatians, Snow White, and others.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:32 PM   #10
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All the female villains are in Disney flix.
101 Dalmatians, Snow White, and others.
And in the real world.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:21 AM   #11
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All the female villains are in Disney flix.
101 Dalmatians, Snow White, and others.
It sucks to be a step mom in Disney movies
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:42 AM   #12
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They might as well dress them in red shirts.
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Newb: "Who is that in the red shirt?"

Trekkie: "Doesn't matter."

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Old 07-12-2017, 04:59 PM   #14
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Newb: "Who is that in the red shirt?"

Trekkie: "Doesn't matter." That's just Target

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