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Old 11-06-2018, 08:55 PM   #1
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Saturday before last I took the 12 year old to the courthouse for early voting.

I voted for people and propositions I think, over the long haul, will reduce the size, scope, power, and intrusiveness of government and/or against people and propositions I think, over the long haul, would expand the size, scope, power, and intrusiveness of government.

Pretty much the opposite of most you, I'm guessin'.
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:58 AM   #2
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:27 AM   #3
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Hey, I'm only goin' by what I see posted here, the bulk of which seem to support 'expanded size, scope, power, and intrusiveness'.

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Haven't dug into any of it yet, but it seems Congress is now deadlocked (again), and the Republicans did slightly better than the Democrats on the state level. Couple that with House Dems self-hobbling as they (continue to) try to 'get Trump' and we've got a largely impotent federal gov and mostly business as usual state by state.

Works for me.

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Old 11-07-2018, 02:17 PM   #4
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An impotent federal government is much much better than the one we have had for the last two years. I love political gridlock in DC.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:24 AM   #5
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On this date in 1933 that President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced the Civil Works Administration. Intended as a short-term agency charged quickly to create jobs for millions of unemployed Americans through the hard winter of 193334, it was closed in March of 1934 having provided work for 4 million workers who laid 12 million feet of sewer pipe and built or improved 255,000 miles of roads, 40,000 schools, 3,700 playgrounds, and nearly 1,000 airports.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:47 AM   #6
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Damned straight.

"I love political gridlock in DC."

"Don't you hate it when the government interferes?
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:46 PM   #7
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We know the power of the internet was all but banned from the public until laws made access possible.

Some laws restrict free markets. Others make free markets possible. A free market cannot exist without regulation. DSL (the first broadband) was kept from this nation for almost 15 years - until regulation finally made it publically available.

Unfortunately that is too complicated for extremists who only see the world in 'black and white' - as ordered to believe by talk show hosts. All regulation is bad? Only to extremists. Reality is always found in details. Not in blanket religious propaganda promoted by talk show hosts.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:59 PM   #8
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"All regulation is bad?"

Not all, just anything beyond 'mind your your own business and keep your hands to yourself'.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:36 PM   #9
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Most regulation can be phrased that way, but there's disagreement on the definitions of terms.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:44 PM   #10
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"there's disagreement on the definitions of terms"

No, not definition, 'scope'.

To me, 'my business' means 'my business'. To a buttinsky, 'my business' means 'my business, Henry's business, your business, his business, her business, etc.'.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:04 PM   #11
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Regulations aren't per person.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:09 PM   #12
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"Regulations aren't per person."

Regulations are crafted by people.

People like me skew toward the minimal (my biz as 'my' biz); buttinskys skew toward the maximum ('your biz 'is' my biz)
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:19 PM   #13
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"Regulations aren't per person."

But they damn well affect us individually.

No surprise (since I've said it over and over) I skew toward minimal regs, toward maximum individual autonomy. So: a deadlocked gov is, to me, a most excellent thing. If it's at war with itself, it's probably gonna leave me be (and won't, for the length of time it wars with itself, be foistin' up new regs [and mebbe won't be doin' a good job overseein' the old regs]).

You see it different (also no surprise).
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:28 PM   #14
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Regulations cover a type of business. If you and Henry are doing the same type of business, the regulation should cover both of you. Otherwise, it's a bill of attainder.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:35 PM   #15
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To me, 'my business' means 'my business'.
Silly emphasis removed because those emotions are only relevant to children.

Purpose of a business is its product; serving its customers. Not to serve the enrichment of a business owner. American corporations that have been operating with that contempt and corrupt attitude are eventually confronted by bankruptcy. Then these corrupt people blame laws - not their attitude. Unfortunately, we all must suffer as such corporations (ie Enron) operate as a self serving entities only to enrich top management.

Enron employees even laughed as they enriched themselves on CA electricity markets at the expensive of grandmothers. Actual recordings played on the so many honest news sources. That attitude similar to what Henry Quick endorses.

Another example of how America is harmed by wackos who want all regulations removed - because some extremist talk show host has ordered them how to think.

What was needed for some markets? We know finance markets cannot be over regulated. We know the auto industry have earned the regulations that exist. And we know responsible businesses (ie Silicon Valley hardware companies) do not have massive regulations due to not being corrupt. Those businesses make better products - do not enrich themselves as the expense of all others.

Your business is to serve your customers - to advance America. Not to enrich yourself at the expense of all others as you want.
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