Emergence of humanity - Page 8

fargon · 07-30-2006, 08:01 AM

While I believe that a woman has a right to control her own body, I also believe that life begins at conception. As for the issue of unwanted pregnancies if you don't want a kid keep it in your pants. A little bit of self control will go along way towards keeping the population under control.

Aliantha · 08-01-2006, 05:41 AM

So far I've got the impression that if a child isn't a child, then it's ok to get rid of a 'clump of cells' but if that clump is considered a child then it's not ok to get rid of it.

One could give analogy after analogy about where something begins and another ends eg. a circle. Hate to quote The Lion King here, but there is a circle of life. What goes around comes around. Even the Budhists believe that...along with the fatalists and all the other ists.

I guess until such time as we live in a Utopian society, where everyone lives by the same moral/religious/ethical code, there'll always be differences of opinion on these sort of issues. Human beings live for conflict, and none of us have ever learned how to love thy neighbour without judging them. The biggest issue I see here is that one side judges the other, and there's no real middle ground.

I've grown to realize that you can never judge another person till you've walked a mile (or a thousand) in their shoes. You can never understand they choices they make about these kinds of issues unless you've lived their life. You will never know what it's like to choose whether your 'clump of cells' becomes a human being or not till you've had to face the choice for whatever reason.

Understanding how someone can abort their 'child' isn't something anyone can have any concept of unless they've had to make that choice, and anyone who hasn't had to face it doesn't have a right to condemn those who have.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-01-2006, 12:16 PM

I'd take a different slant.
You can judge me all you want.
But if you interfere, I get real pissy.

I get real pissy with the government, a lot.

Aliantha · 08-05-2006, 05:04 AM

In my experience, the ones that judge you are the only ones that ever interfere. The ones that don't judge you are happy to let you do your thing your own way.

9th Engineer · 08-05-2006, 09:10 PM

I prefer the middle of the road, I don't judge, but I don't give a sh*t if you screw yourself up and/or kill yourself in the process. To many assholes out there bent on their own destruction to care, that's probably my main libertarian slant.
btw, who else thinks a great way to throw some bleach in the gene pool would be to legalize all drugs, but write in a clause so that no one with drugs in their system may be given emergency care.

wolf · 08-06-2006, 03:31 PM

Much as I like that one ... even junkies have real medical emergencies not related to their substance use.

My own answer is legalize all drugs, but stop paying for detox and rehab. Recognize that drug and alcohol use is a decision, not a disease. In some of my softer moments, I include a plan to allow each person ONE chance at government-funded rehab.

I see too many repeat customers, which, incidentally, includes people with 20+ years sober who were working as drug and alcohol counsellors before they "slipped up."

Trilby · 08-06-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Much as I like that one ... even junkies have real medical emergencies not related to their substance use.

My own answer is legalize all drugs, but stop paying for detox and rehab. Recognize that drug and alcohol use is a decision, not a disease. In some of my softer moments, I include a plan to allow each person ONE chance at government-funded rehab.

I see too many repeat customers, which, incidentally, includes people with 20+ years sober who were working as drug and alcohol counsellors before they "slipped up."

Ah. Now I know why you don't like me.

Undertoad · 08-06-2006, 04:09 PM

i figured that one out some time ago

Trilby · 08-06-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

i figured that one out some time ago

I was hoping against hope.

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07-30-2006, 08:01 AM	#106
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	While I believe that a woman has a right to control her own body, I also believe that life begins at conception. As for the issue of unwanted pregnancies if you don't want a kid keep it in your pants. A little bit of self control will go along way towards keeping the population under control. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

08-01-2006, 05:41 AM	#107
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So far I've got the impression that if a child isn't a child, then it's ok to get rid of a 'clump of cells' but if that clump is considered a child then it's not ok to get rid of it. One could give analogy after analogy about where something begins and another ends eg. a circle. Hate to quote The Lion King here, but there is a circle of life. What goes around comes around. Even the Budhists believe that...along with the fatalists and all the other ists. I guess until such time as we live in a Utopian society, where everyone lives by the same moral/religious/ethical code, there'll always be differences of opinion on these sort of issues. Human beings live for conflict, and none of us have ever learned how to love thy neighbour without judging them. The biggest issue I see here is that one side judges the other, and there's no real middle ground. I've grown to realize that you can never judge another person till you've walked a mile (or a thousand) in their shoes. You can never understand they choices they make about these kinds of issues unless you've lived their life. You will never know what it's like to choose whether your 'clump of cells' becomes a human being or not till you've had to face the choice for whatever reason. Understanding how someone can abort their 'child' isn't something anyone can have any concept of unless they've had to make that choice, and anyone who hasn't had to face it doesn't have a right to condemn those who have. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-01-2006, 12:16 PM	#108
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'd take a different slant. You can judge me all you want. But if you interfere, I get real pissy. I get real pissy with the government, a lot. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-05-2006, 05:04 AM	#109
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	In my experience, the ones that judge you are the only ones that ever interfere. The ones that don't judge you are happy to let you do your thing your own way. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-05-2006, 09:10 PM	#110
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I prefer the middle of the road, I don't judge, but I don't give a sh*t if you screw yourself up and/or kill yourself in the process. To many assholes out there bent on their own destruction to care, that's probably my main libertarian slant. btw, who else thinks a great way to throw some bleach in the gene pool would be to legalize all drugs, but write in a clause so that no one with drugs in their system may be given emergency care. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

08-06-2006, 03:31 PM	#111
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Much as I like that one ... even junkies have real medical emergencies not related to their substance use. My own answer is legalize all drugs, but stop paying for detox and rehab. Recognize that drug and alcohol use is a decision, not a disease. In some of my softer moments, I include a plan to allow each person ONE chance at government-funded rehab. I see too many repeat customers, which, incidentally, includes people with 20+ years sober who were working as drug and alcohol counsellors before they "slipped up." __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-06-2006, 04:09 PM	#113
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	i figured that one out some time ago

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