Date Rape

xoxoxoBruce · 03-22-2013, 04:16 AM

Quote:

"In 1978, 432 adolescents, ages 14-18, were interviewed in the Los Angeles area. The three major ethnic groups were equally represented, as were males and females. Attitudes toward the opposite sex, sexuality, sex roles, rape, power, and violence were measured along with behavioral expectations, perceptions, norms about dating, and sex differences in the acquisition of attitudes and expectations."

This was the result, or I should say part of the result.

FearUs.Org has the backstory and this link to a 1985 newspaper article about social psychologist Jacqueline Goodchilds' survey.

DanaC · 03-22-2013, 04:42 AM

There's been some really interesting and important work done in this area. Sometimes quite startling to see the results.

Here's a more recent study of attitudes amongst young people in the UK towards gendered violence (study group was taken from a handful of scottish highschools):

http://www.ndvf.org.uk/files/document/1093/original.pdf

It wont let me cut and paste quotes from it, but I recommend it for an interesting read. It isn't just about male on female violence, it looks at attitudes towards violence and abuse within teenage relationships more generally.

glatt · 03-22-2013, 07:52 AM

"He is so turned on he thinks he can't stop."
and
"She gets him excited sexually."

Isn't this implying exactly the same thing, only worded differently?

infinite monkey · 03-22-2013, 07:59 AM

In the first example, it's not his fault he is such a virile man that he can't help when he gets a boner. It's a compliment to that guy.

In the second example it's not his fault she's sexy or pretty or maybe kissed him too passionately. It's a criticism of that girl.

So, yeah, the same thing, really. Just from different angles.

Clodfobble · 03-22-2013, 08:23 AM

Also, because it has the highest approval rating by far from the women, I'm guessing the kids thought it was implying that she had deliberately engaged in some sort of sexual activity with him already. Most similar to "she is going to but changes her mind."

xoxoxoBruce · 03-22-2013, 10:23 AM

Language is important, the old, "I don't think that means what you think it means", plays a big part in any attempt at mutual agreement/understanding. From Dana's link.

footfootfoot · 03-22-2013, 10:29 AM

I was amazed that there were any approving response at all in the women's column.

I remember a study of college aged men where one of the questions was, "Is it ok to rape a woman?" something like 96% responded No. The next question was "If a woman gets drunk and passes out is it ok to have sex with her?" Some overwhelmingly large number responded Yes.

Clearly there needs to be more education.

infinite monkey · 03-22-2013, 10:41 AM

"Emotional slaughter."

I like that. The phrase, not the slaughter. It is slaughter.

Lamplighter · 03-22-2013, 10:45 AM

Years ago, I read a Readers Digest article about Dartmouth
fraternity members attending a meeting where the age of consent
was being debated.

A motion to set the age of consent to 16 yrs was amended and passed
by the fraternity majority ... The amendment made it mandatory.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-22-2013, 10:58 AM

Well Dartmouth is in the boonies, so they have to supplement with local talent.

Gravdigr · 03-22-2013, 03:57 PM

42%???

Fucking WOW.

DanaC · 03-22-2013, 04:16 PM

I found that whole report fascinting. It was quite nuanced.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-22-2013, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

"He is so turned on he thinks he can't stop."
and
"She gets him excited sexually."

Isn't this implying exactly the same thing, only worded differently?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

I found that whole report fascinting. It was quite nuanced.

But as glatt demonstrated, the questions may nuanced to the author, but confusing to the students who are trying to apply them to their experience, or hearsay from their friends.

She claimed she said no. But he knows that's impossible because of the duct tape.

JBKlyde · 03-25-2013, 08:03 PM

yea well what happens when 'she' comes into your room drops a couple condoms at your feat and looks at you like 'which way did he go george'.. so you have sex and then 'she' turns around and says 'you sexually offended me you minute man'...

orthodoc · 03-25-2013, 11:08 PM

In 1978 there was no generally accepted concept of date rape; if rape happened it was always and only the woman's fault. There was no point reporting an acquaintance assault, and there were no supportive social networks. The only responses would be, "What were you doing there? What did you do to provoke it? Just because you acted like a slut, don't ruin HIS life by making trouble."

It just didn't make sense to report date rape at that time.

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03-22-2013, 10:23 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Language is important, the old, "I don't think that means what you think it means", plays a big part in any attempt at mutual agreement/understanding. From Dana's link. Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I was amazed that there were any approving response at all in the women's column. I remember a study of college aged men where one of the questions was, "Is it ok to rape a woman?" something like 96% responded No. The next question was "If a woman gets drunk and passes out is it ok to have sex with her?" Some overwhelmingly large number responded Yes. Clearly there needs to be more education. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-22-2013, 10:58 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Well Dartmouth is in the boonies, so they have to supplement with local talent. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-22-2013, 03:57 PM	#11
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03-22-2013, 07:52 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	"He is so turned on he thinks he can't stop." and "She gets him excited sexually." Isn't this implying exactly the same thing, only worded differently?

03-22-2013, 07:59 AM	#4
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	In the first example, it's not his fault he is such a virile man that he can't help when he gets a boner. It's a compliment to that guy. In the second example it's not his fault she's sexy or pretty or maybe kissed him too passionately. It's a criticism of that girl. So, yeah, the same thing, really. Just from different angles.

03-22-2013, 10:41 AM	#8
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	"Emotional slaughter." I like that. The phrase, not the slaughter. It is slaughter.

03-22-2013, 10:45 AM	#9
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Years ago, I read a Readers Digest article about Dartmouth fraternity members attending a meeting where the age of consent was being debated. A motion to set the age of consent to 16 yrs was amended and passed by the fraternity majority ... The amendment made it mandatory.

03-25-2013, 08:03 PM	#14
JBKlyde Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Encrypted Into an AmpitheaterWall Posts: 1,722	yea well what happens when 'she' comes into your room drops a couple condoms at your feat and looks at you like 'which way did he go george'.. so you have sex and then 'she' turns around and says 'you sexually offended me you minute man'...

03-25-2013, 11:08 PM	#15
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	In 1978 there was no generally accepted concept of date rape; if rape happened it was always and only the woman's fault. There was no point reporting an acquaintance assault, and there were no supportive social networks. The only responses would be, "What were you doing there? What did you do to provoke it? Just because you acted like a slut, don't ruin HIS life by making trouble." It just didn't make sense to report date rape at that time. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

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