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Elspode · 10-13-2005, 12:19 PM

Very poetic, LJ. Mrs Elspode says that the two unexpected communications I have recently received from significant persons from my youth is just the Cosmos giving me a chance to work out some of the shit I still carry around inside me.

Mrs Elspode is a lot smarter than I am. Of course, there are rocks that are smarter than I am, but she's *really* smart.

lumberjim · 10-13-2005, 12:22 PM

yeah, well. I think we should all post in ONLY poetry for the rest of the day. whaddya think? get some culture and shit.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-13-2005, 12:30 PM

Eeeew, culture!

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It is difficult to explain, really, how it makes me feel. The best I can do is to characterize it as exuberant and depressed at the same time.

Glad to have been there....pretty sure I could handle it better given a second chance......glad I don't have to prove it.
Mixed emotions.....a common malady, methinks.

wolf · 10-13-2005, 12:31 PM

Maybe she's on Step 9?

Trilby · 10-13-2005, 12:48 PM

wolf--i think you're brilliant!

Elspode · 10-13-2005, 12:52 PM

I just realized I've overlooked a couple of really good points from Mari. Sorry, Mari.

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Originally Posted by marichiko

As a woman, I find her gesture towards you rather surprising, given that she's married and all. Mrs. E. may have a point.

Tell me something. Did she mention ever having children of her own?

She didn't mention it, but a bit of 'Net scouring reveals a web page which shows a couple of pictures of a female child.

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An abortion can be a difficult experience for a woman, especially if she is subsequently childless. She may be replaying old tapes, wondering where she went wrong, coming to terms with some things. Maybe she contacted you as some sort of reality check. Like "Who was this guy all those years ago? Am I remembering things clearly? Did I do the right thing?"

She did not mention this aspect of our relationship, but I would think it must be somewhere in her mind. It has been in mine for over 30 years, and I've often wondered how she felt about the event after the passage of time.

Happy Monkey · 10-13-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

Very poetic, LJ. Mrs Elspode says that the two unexpected communications I have recently received from significant persons from my youth is just the Cosmos giving me a chance to work out some of the shit I still carry around inside me.

So.... Is your name Earl?

Elspode · 10-13-2005, 01:55 PM

No, but what a *great* show!

lumberjim · 10-13-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Eeeew, culture!

well, i think it's a fucking shame
that no one wants to play my game
you're all a bunch of whining turds
if i met you i'd flip you the bird....s

Elspode · 10-13-2005, 07:54 PM

Well, two emails have been exchanged. All is well, and no hint of any interest beyond being old friends who shared a pretty energetic and formative time of their young lives just trying to catch up and reminisce.

Elspode · 10-25-2005, 04:02 PM

Well, most of you probably don't care, but I thought I'd mention that Liz and I have exchanged a few emails over a couple of weeks, and so far no one seems to be poised on the edge of leaving their spouse or anything. I knew you'd all be relieved to know this.

It has been interesting catching up. My assumption that the kid pic on the web was of one of hers was incorrect. It is her niece, child of her husband's sister. Interestingly, her husband's sister has been married to David Carradine since early this year, making Liz officially David Carradine's sister in law. I asked her what it was like going to family gatherings with Caine.

Also on the cool side is the fact that Liz's husband is currently the sound design and recording engineer for the Kronos String Quartet.

Anyway, it looks like this is turning out to be a nice, serendipitous occurance for both of us as we catch up on 30 years of history.

My history all sounds so tawdry, now that I find myself repeating it back to someone who wasn't here to experience it in the first person...

BigV · 10-25-2005, 04:42 PM

Dear Elspode:

I have read your histories, both those written in the first person and those written in the third person, and I must say that tawdry is not how they come across to this reader. They are all uniformly eloquent and articulate. They are highly readable, emotionally engaging and filled with intelligent humor. This current serial essay is no different.

I do not find your situation, your history or your writing tawdry. I find it courageous. Not only for your confidence to bare yourself to the wide world, but also for your ability to face your own story so truthfully. I would dare to suggest that the sensation you are reading as tawdriness is actually your bare humanity showing through. It is based on an awareness, a sensitivity to the impact of your actions, your successes and your mistakes, your victories and your failures. Not just how things turned out, but more importantly, how they affected other people. And that is fundamentally a good thing. And you are fundamentally a good person.

Please don't give any more attention to those negative thoughts than you positively have to. The balance holds, but it is delicate. Do not contribute to the negative side when it is so clearly unwarranted.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-25-2005, 07:15 PM

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My history all sounds so tawdry, now that I find myself repeating it back to someone who wasn't here to experience it in the first person...

Tawdry? Yeah, like John Steinbeck, Jack london, Robert Service, Papa, et al...

Griff · 10-25-2005, 07:56 PM

Your history sounds real. Embrace it.

darclauz · 10-26-2005, 02:36 PM

No woman does something that thinking without an agenda. With regards to relationships, both old and new, women have a depth that men just don't have. Now, I know people (especially juju) think i'm sexist..and that's true. But there's a reason.. either...
she wants you, els, or there are unresolved abortion issues (i HATE that word) or something i'm not smart enough to get.

run EVERY BIT of communication past mrs. els, both from and to. keep her very informed, ask her what she thinks. i know you know that's important...but i'm telling you again.

10-13-2005, 12:19 PM	#16
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Very poetic, LJ. Mrs Elspode says that the two unexpected communications I have recently received from significant persons from my youth is just the Cosmos giving me a chance to work out some of the shit I still carry around inside me. Mrs Elspode is a lot smarter than I am. Of course, there are rocks that are smarter than I am, but she's really smart. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-13-2005, 12:22 PM	#17
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	yeah, well. I think we should all post in ONLY poetry for the rest of the day. whaddya think? get some culture and shit. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-13-2005, 12:31 PM	#19
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Maybe she's on Step 9? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-13-2005, 12:48 PM	#20
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	wolf--i think you're brilliant! __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

10-13-2005, 01:55 PM	#23
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	No, but what a great show! __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-13-2005, 07:54 PM	#25
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Well, two emails have been exchanged. All is well, and no hint of any interest beyond being old friends who shared a pretty energetic and formative time of their young lives just trying to catch up and reminisce. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-25-2005, 04:02 PM	#26
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Update Well, most of you probably don't care, but I thought I'd mention that Liz and I have exchanged a few emails over a couple of weeks, and so far no one seems to be poised on the edge of leaving their spouse or anything. I knew you'd all be relieved to know this. It has been interesting catching up. My assumption that the kid pic on the web was of one of hers was incorrect. It is her niece, child of her husband's sister. Interestingly, her husband's sister has been married to David Carradine since early this year, making Liz officially David Carradine's sister in law. I asked her what it was like going to family gatherings with Caine. Also on the cool side is the fact that Liz's husband is currently the sound design and recording engineer for the Kronos String Quartet. Anyway, it looks like this is turning out to be a nice, serendipitous occurance for both of us as we catch up on 30 years of history. My history all sounds so tawdry, now that I find myself repeating it back to someone who wasn't here to experience it in the first person... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

10-25-2005, 04:42 PM	#27
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Dear Elspode: I have read your histories, both those written in the first person and those written in the third person, and I must say that tawdry is not how they come across to this reader. They are all uniformly eloquent and articulate. They are highly readable, emotionally engaging and filled with intelligent humor. This current serial essay is no different. I do not find your situation, your history or your writing tawdry. I find it courageous. Not only for your confidence to bare yourself to the wide world, but also for your ability to face your own story so truthfully. I would dare to suggest that the sensation you are reading as tawdriness is actually your bare humanity showing through. It is based on an awareness, a sensitivity to the impact of your actions, your successes and your mistakes, your victories and your failures. Not just how things turned out, but more importantly, how they affected other people. And that is fundamentally a good thing. And you are fundamentally a good person. Please don't give any more attention to those negative thoughts than you positively have to. The balance holds, but it is delicate. Do not contribute to the negative side when it is so clearly unwarranted. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-25-2005, 07:56 PM	#29
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Your history sounds real. Embrace it. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-26-2005, 02:36 PM	#30
darclauz Breathing into a paper bag Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 334	No woman does something that thinking without an agenda. With regards to relationships, both old and new, women have a depth that men just don't have. Now, I know people (especially juju) think i'm sexist..and that's true. But there's a reason.. either... she wants you, els, or there are unresolved abortion issues (i HATE that word) or something i'm not smart enough to get. run EVERY BIT of communication past mrs. els, both from and to. keep her very informed, ask her what she thinks. i know you know that's important...but i'm telling you again. __________________ Taking up smoking to lose weight.

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