Somali pirates hijack Saudi oil tanker - Page 7

Shawnee123 · 04-10-2009, 07:41 PM

"But I don't wanna be a pirate."

-Jerry Seinfeld

TheMercenary · 04-11-2009, 09:47 AM

They really need to crank up a more agressive response to this issue.

Undertoad · 04-11-2009, 09:56 AM

No, they need to leave it alone.

People are mad that the US pretends to be the police of the world, well, this is the world with no policing.

TheMercenary · 04-11-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

No, they need to leave it alone.

People are mad that the US pretends to be the police of the world, well, this is the world with no policing.

I didn't mean to imply that the US should do it, except in the current case of the US citzen.

classicman · 04-11-2009, 11:29 AM

Make them an offer - One live US captain or a lot of dead pirates.

Only saying this because it is an American that they are holding - otherwise, I'm beginning to agree with UT on this type of thing - let these other countries do it for themselves for a change. Empowerment, freedom and all that.

tw · 04-11-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

So we just allow them to keep kidnapping people and ships and holding them for ransom?

Show me where you and I are being harmed? Why are those at risk not demanding more protection? A problem still so trivial that they will not even do simple solutions such as convoys.

Ship owners are happy to have additional protection provided for free. Risk so small that insurance rates remain low (even with the increased rates). Why would you advocate curing a problem for others who do not consider the problem significant? Or should we unilaterally impose our will anywhere we 'feel' rather than wait to be desired?

If this was a significant problem, then shippers would have organized into convoys long ago. They will not even do that. Once we eliminate the hype of piracy, well, those who are at risk do not consider that risk significant. Fixing other's problems when even they don't see a problem - how to become the "Ugly American" - as demonstrated by the book.

So many want to arm ships with heavy weapons when the shippers themselves have yet to implement even rudimentary solutions such as convoys. Long before applying solutions, maybe we should first wait for them to need a solution. Shippers currently view this only as a business expense.

TheMercenary · 04-11-2009, 06:09 PM

This was interesting:

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Phillips is one of about 260 hostages being held by Somali pirates preying on the busy sea lanes of the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean.

There are more Filipinos than any other nationality and the pirates are keeping about 17 captured vessels at or near lairs like Eyl, Hobyo and Haradheere on Somalia's eastern coast - six of them taken in the last week alone.

I had no idea there were that many being held.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...f-1667348.html

TheMercenary · 04-12-2009, 11:49 AM

So in the end we have a stand off as the lifeboat drifts aimlessly.

TheMercenary · 04-12-2009, 12:32 PM

Well it's over.

US Navy 1

Somalia Pirates -3 and 1 alive.

My guess a NAVSPEC warfare Op.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-12-2009, 02:56 PM

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President Barack Obama said the captain has courage that is "a model for all Americans."

Obama said he was pleased that Phillips has been rescued and was proud of the U.S. military and other agencies that worked to free him. The president said the United States needs help from other countries to deal with the threat of piracy and to hold pirates accountable.

Glad he reminded the world that this is not our problem, it's everyone's.

TheMercenary · 04-12-2009, 03:05 PM

I agree. We really should not take this on as our own problem except in the case of our own ships or crews, which in that case we should be ruthless.

Cloud · 04-12-2009, 03:14 PM

I smell movie rights.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-12-2009, 03:15 PM

Agreed, Merc. When I was doing that IOtD of the ships crew making Molotov cocktails I followed a shitload of links on the pirates. The numbers were astounding and there was even one story about the ransom money was helping fund Al-Qaeda in Africa by the pirates paying them protection. The whole thing is so bizarre in this day and age, it's a reminder of how primitive some of the world still is.

Cloud · 04-12-2009, 03:20 PM

What kind of acts would you resort to if your children are starving? I'd resort to a hell of a lot.

TheMercenary · 04-12-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

What kind of acts would you resort to if your children are starving? I'd resort to a hell of a lot.

I'd become a pirate given the sucess they have had up to this point. And if I was conversely a ship owner I would mount machine guns on my decks and sink anyone who came close with the intent to take over.

They really should consider allowing private security groups to help them out in this case.

04-10-2009, 07:41 PM	#91
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	"But I don't wanna be a pirate." -Jerry Seinfeld __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-11-2009, 09:47 AM	#92
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	They really need to crank up a more agressive response to this issue. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-11-2009, 11:29 AM	#95
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Make them an offer - One live US captain or a lot of dead pirates. Only saying this because it is an American that they are holding - otherwise, I'm beginning to agree with UT on this type of thing - let these other countries do it for themselves for a change. Empowerment, freedom and all that. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-12-2009, 11:49 AM	#98
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	So in the end we have a stand off as the lifeboat drifts aimlessly. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-12-2009, 12:32 PM	#99
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Well it's over. US Navy 1 Somalia Pirates -3 and 1 alive. My guess a NAVSPEC warfare Op. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012! Last edited by TheMercenary; 04-12-2009 at 12:40 PM.

04-11-2009, 09:56 AM	#93
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No, they need to leave it alone. People are mad that the US pretends to be the police of the world, well, this is the world with no policing.

04-12-2009, 03:05 PM	#101
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I agree. We really should not take this on as our own problem except in the case of our own ships or crews, which in that case we should be ruthless. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-12-2009, 03:14 PM	#102
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I smell movie rights. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-12-2009, 03:15 PM	#103
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Agreed, Merc. When I was doing that IOtD of the ships crew making Molotov cocktails I followed a shitload of links on the pirates. The numbers were astounding and there was even one story about the ransom money was helping fund Al-Qaeda in Africa by the pirates paying them protection. The whole thing is so bizarre in this day and age, it's a reminder of how primitive some of the world still is. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-12-2009, 03:20 PM	#104
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	What kind of acts would you resort to if your children are starving? I'd resort to a hell of a lot. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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