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Old 01-28-2017, 08:48 PM   #46
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West Virginia's mascot is a dilated pupil.
Is that because the co-ed is dilated and about to have another illegitimate baby?
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:46 AM   #47
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Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.
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Old 01-29-2017, 01:47 PM   #48
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Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.
No effin way would I be into that...ever.
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Old 01-29-2017, 09:05 PM   #49
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Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.
George Jr said he looked into Putin's eyes and saw a good soul. What really was he looking into? Would mydriates have helped him better see a real soul?

If The Donald took them, would he see the real world?
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:36 PM   #50
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Bannon is the new Cheney

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But the defining moment for Mr. Bannon came Saturday night in the form of an executive order giving the rumpled right-wing agitator a full seat on the “principals committee” of the National Security Council — while downgrading the roles of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of national intelligence, who will now attend only when the council is considering issues in their direct areas of responsibilities. It is a startling elevation of a political adviser, to a status alongside the secretaries of state and defense, and over the president’s top military and intelligence advisers.

In theory, the move put Mr. Bannon, a former Navy surface warfare officer, admiral’s aide, investment banker, Hollywood producer and Breitbart News firebrand on the same level as his friend, Michael T. Flynn, the national security adviser, a former Pentagon intelligence chief who was Mr. Trump’s top adviser on national security issues before a series of missteps reduced his influence.

But in terms of real influence, Mr. Bannon looms above almost everyone except the president’s son-in-law, Jared D. Kushner, in the Trumpian pecking order, according to interviews with two dozen Trump insiders and current and former national security officials. The move involving Mr. Bannon, as well as the boost in status to the White House homeland security adviser, Thomas P. Bossert, and Mr. Trump’s relationships with Cabinet appointees like Defense Secretary Jim Mattis have essentially layered over Mr. Flynn.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:43 PM   #51
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downgrading the roles of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of national intelligence,
Smart move, this way they aren't needed in Washington when Trump sends them off to war.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:40 AM   #52
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I guess we're officially in Yemen now...

The Bannon thing... makes me want to turn down my Nazi detector.

It is the democrats turn to bitch about executive orders, Christ it's almost time to turn back to the libertarians.
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Old 01-30-2017, 05:45 PM   #53
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Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process? I need the cellar to be my reality check, here, because I've had to swear off all political radio/TV/internet for a bit, it's too much.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:54 PM   #54
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Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process?
US would kidnap citizens of other nations only on speculation or fictional accusations. Put them in secret prisons around the world. Or dump them in Guantanamo. Extremist said that is good - and legal. Extremists have returned to power.

We know over 700 of less than 800 prisoners in Guantanamo were innocent. What has changed to avert that stupidity? Nothing. It is still legal. Now we have a president who knows someone is evil only because he 'feels' it is true.

Every non-American in the world has good reason to fear. America can kidnap anyone and put them in secret prisons - without judicial process. Because the victim is not an American citizen. These same extremists (and The Donald) even says torture is good.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:01 AM   #55
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Mmkay, except not one word of that answered my question.

UT? It's not a leading question, I really want to know. I don't have the energy to figure this one out.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:03 AM   #56
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US would kidnap citizens of other nations only on speculation or fictional accusations. Put them in secret prisons around the world. Or dump them in Guantanamo. Extremist said that is good - and legal. Extremists have returned to power.

We know over 700 of less than 800 prisoners in Guantanamo were innocent. What has changed to avert that stupidity? Nothing. It is still legal. Now we have a president who knows someone is evil only because he 'feels' it is true.

Every non-American in the world has good reason to fear. America can kidnap anyone and put them in secret prisons - without judicial process. Because the victim is not an American citizen. These same extremists (and The Donald) even says torture is good.


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Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process? I need the cellar to be my reality check, here, because I've had to swear off all political radio/TV/internet for a bit, it's too much.

There. Are you happy now?
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:09 AM   #57
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In an Obama administration, AG Holder said that in theory, the President has that authority within the borders of the USA. But it has never been exercised and would be highly unusual.


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"As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the U.S. government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

"The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no President will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the President could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.

"Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority."
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:47 AM   #58
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Red Dawn Movie
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An introductory montage shows the fallout of the economic crisis in the European Union and a weakened NATO alliance, amid increasing cooperation between an increasingly militant North Korea and ultranationalist-controlled Russia. The increased deployment of U.S. troops abroad leaves the mainland vulnerable.
A ridiculous fantacy that could never happen, amirite?
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:50 AM   #59
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I only found this article which outlines the Obamadministration chain of command for drone strikes.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-kill-chain/
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Old 01-31-2017, 02:49 PM   #60
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That's interesting, I would expect the chain between 350C Task Force and the President is primarily FYI and rubber stamped at each step, until it gets to the top.
I would hope at the top they would scrutinize it more closely as well as take the political considerations into account.
When it's passed to JSOC I'd assume decisions are only on their ability to do it.


I still maintain Anwar al Awlaki was not a US citizen. He had renounced his citizenship publicly. While he had not done the defined deliver a letter to an embassy as spelled out in the rules, he had joined a foreign military fighting the US.
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