Day Ruiner (beware) - Page 2

Shawnee123 · 03-24-2008, 03:22 PM

I was laughing as I posted that, just messing with you.

Not to make light of the seriousness of this thread. I got through a few seconds of the video before I had to stop watching. It makes no fucking sense and it makes me sick.

lookout123 · 03-24-2008, 03:32 PM

I can't believe more people aren't upset that this asshole wasted that perfectly good dog food while dogs were starving somewhere in his city.

sorry, i use sick lame humor when i'm saddened. let's just chain the asshole to the ground and give him two chicken nuggets and 4 ozs of toilet water to drink everyday until he dies.

freshnesschronic · 03-24-2008, 03:56 PM

my bad Shawnee, board, i meant Sundae Girl. Shawnee, Sundae, starts with S, ends with "eee"! well, in my mind, for some reason I say "Sundy, or Sundee" instead of SundAY. My bad.

warch · 03-24-2008, 04:04 PM

Here's my take:
Cruel and unethical, did intentional harm which defines an "aesthetic" boundary. Not generative, just violent and empty spectacle.

Shawnee123 · 03-24-2008, 04:04 PM

No prob! I don't mind being mistaken for Sundae (or vice versa) 'cause she rocks!

classicman · 03-25-2008, 08:54 AM

Uh, Are we all missing a "dual purpose"opportunity here??? Lets just feed him to the starving dogs....

Shawnee123 · 03-25-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well, since the outrage and shock are critical to the piece, I should think the artist would not mind if I put on my heavy boots, sink his ankles in concrete, and kick him in the crotch until his testicles are completely liquid.

It only improves the piece and furthers awareness of the situation if someone has that reaction.

If art is "what you can get away with", as we have posited, and he gets away with it because it's art, then I should be able to get away with it too. Really, my drop-kicking him in the fucking nuts until either they are a mass of jelly or they retreat into the guy's pancreas for safety... is part of an important artistic vision, a higher calling if you will.

Moreover once the balls are liquified, to increase the shock and awareness of the situation, I am willing to allow hungry dogs to eat the remaining goo. For maximum benefit of the piece, I won't sever the sack with a sharp knife or anything. Just put peanut butter on whatever remains and let the pit bulls at it. For maximum art, I shall select only the hungriest street dogs one can find.

Finally, I'm willing to work anonymously. Behind the scenes if you will, unlauded in any way. I'm JUST THAT GIVING -- AND COMMITTED TO THE ART.

Let's get people talking. Let's be part of the solution.

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Originally Posted by classicman

Uh, Are we all missing a "dual purpose"opportunity here??? Lets just feed him to the starving dogs....

I like the way you guys think.

binky · 03-25-2008, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123

I can't believe more people aren't upset that this asshole wasted that perfectly good dog food while dogs were starving somewhere in his city.

sorry, i use sick lame humor when i'm saddened. let's just chain the asshole to the ground and give him two chicken nuggets and 4 ozs of toilet water to drink everyday until he dies.

They are - that is why there are 1376832 signatures on a petition to ban his "art"

Giant Salamander · 03-27-2008, 01:35 PM

Humans and dogs is a relationship 1500 years strong. The 900,000 people that would not have signed that petition if he'd starved a horny toad to death should probably not be counted. Damned Fuzz Lovers.

In any case, I've decided that the guy is a piece of shit. Though it is art, and it did illustrate the plight of starving dogs, he should probably consider a different line of work if that's the most creative solution he could conceive of. Anyone can put an apple on a pedestal and call it "Apple." I don't know how he could have done that and still sleep at night.

(By the way, imHo, threatening this guy with torture / violence / death because he starved a dog seems a bit...what's the word...notright. He may be a prick, but he's not a genocidal dictator. I'd shoot a stray dog in the head before I'd shoot him in the head, if in fact we were ever trapped in a windowless house with a sadistic serial killer who liked to test people's morals.)

Undertoad · 03-27-2008, 03:23 PM

Certainly, but when I threaten to sink his ankles in concrete and kick him in the nuts until they're goo, my threat is not really directed at him but at his work and the concepts underlying it. So it's not really a threat, but in the larger context, it's part of the artwork itself. It strengthens the work and gives the whole thing more meaning. The artist should be in favor.

Shawnee123 · 03-27-2008, 03:47 PM

I was going to say: Dog stays. Guy goes. Simple reasoning: dog doesn't sit around all day thinking of ways to "increase awareness" of starving humans by starving a human. Dog doesn't use said starving human to further himself in the world of art. Dog is rarely selfish. In the Highlights world of living organisms, guy is Goofus and dog is Gallant.

But calmer and more clever heads win out, and I can't think of a thing wrong with UT's logic.

Flint · 03-27-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Salamander

Anyone can put an apple on a pedestal and call it "Apple."

That part was bothering me, but I couldn't think of a concise way to describe it.

True, art is supposed to make you think, or provoke a response. Like plucking the piano strings of your instincts, a good artist knows exactly how to touch something inside you. But, seriously, I think "art" is also the act of using some kind of metaphor to express the thing. Not just...it.

Cicero · 03-27-2008, 04:55 PM

Mmm.....You might not be a dictator for starving a dog to death but it's a pretty good start...

Aliantha · 03-27-2008, 05:00 PM

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True, art is supposed to make you think, or provoke a response.

Terrorism makes you think and provokes a response too. Some people might call cruelty to animals art, but I don't think most people would.

Flint · 03-28-2008, 09:07 AM

Hey, you know what would be awesome? Let's quote snippets of people's posts, out of context, and then interject an irrelevant tirade.

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Terrorism makes you think and provokes a response too.

Good lord, I had no idea that Aliantha was pro-terrorism. Did you read that bit just now where she was saying how great terrorism is and how much she thinks it's so awesome because it makes people think, and that there should be more of it and she might even do some herself? I can't believe that I just read that.

Aliantha, I have to tell you that most people don't like terrorism and don't think it's such a great idea as you obviously do. Sorry to burst your terrorist-loving bubble.

03-24-2008, 03:22 PM	#16
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I was laughing as I posted that, just messing with you. Not to make light of the seriousness of this thread. I got through a few seconds of the video before I had to stop watching. It makes no fucking sense and it makes me sick. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 03-24-2008 at 03:39 PM. Reason: add

03-24-2008, 03:32 PM	#17
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I can't believe more people aren't upset that this asshole wasted that perfectly good dog food while dogs were starving somewhere in his city. sorry, i use sick lame humor when i'm saddened. let's just chain the asshole to the ground and give him two chicken nuggets and 4 ozs of toilet water to drink everyday until he dies. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin Last edited by lookout123; 03-24-2008 at 04:10 PM.

03-24-2008, 04:04 PM	#20
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	No prob! I don't mind being mistaken for Sundae (or vice versa) 'cause she rocks! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-25-2008, 08:54 AM	#21
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Uh, Are we all missing a "dual purpose"opportunity here??? Lets just feed him to the starving dogs.... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-27-2008, 01:35 PM	#24
Giant Salamander Deity of Dogs Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 114	Humans and dogs is a relationship 1500 years strong. The 900,000 people that would not have signed that petition if he'd starved a horny toad to death should probably not be counted. Damned Fuzz Lovers. In any case, I've decided that the guy is a piece of shit. Though it is art, and it did illustrate the plight of starving dogs, he should probably consider a different line of work if that's the most creative solution he could conceive of. Anyone can put an apple on a pedestal and call it "Apple." I don't know how he could have done that and still sleep at night. (By the way, imHo, threatening this guy with torture / violence / death because he starved a dog seems a bit...what's the word...notright. He may be a prick, but he's not a genocidal dictator. I'd shoot a stray dog in the head before I'd shoot him in the head, if in fact we were ever trapped in a windowless house with a sadistic serial killer who liked to test people's morals.) __________________ random artstuff

03-24-2008, 03:56 PM	#18
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	my bad Shawnee, board, i meant Sundae Girl. Shawnee, Sundae, starts with S, ends with "eee"! well, in my mind, for some reason I say "Sundy, or Sundee" instead of SundAY. My bad.

03-24-2008, 04:04 PM	#19
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Here's my take: Cruel and unethical, did intentional harm which defines an "aesthetic" boundary. Not generative, just violent and empty spectacle.

03-27-2008, 03:23 PM	#25
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Certainly, but when I threaten to sink his ankles in concrete and kick him in the nuts until they're goo, my threat is not really directed at him but at his work and the concepts underlying it. So it's not really a threat, but in the larger context, it's part of the artwork itself. It strengthens the work and gives the whole thing more meaning. The artist should be in favor.

03-27-2008, 03:47 PM	#26
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I was going to say: Dog stays. Guy goes. Simple reasoning: dog doesn't sit around all day thinking of ways to "increase awareness" of starving humans by starving a human. Dog doesn't use said starving human to further himself in the world of art. Dog is rarely selfish. In the Highlights world of living organisms, guy is Goofus and dog is Gallant. But calmer and more clever heads win out, and I can't think of a thing wrong with UT's logic. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-27-2008, 04:55 PM	#28
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Mmm.....You might not be a dictator for starving a dog to death but it's a pretty good start... __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

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