Mueller

[henry quirk]

"But if black markets solve everything"

I didn't say that.

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"why do you need someone to "wreck shit" in the first place? Seems like a wasted effort, if such shit doesn't affect you in any way."

Cuz I shouldn't have to live or transact in the shadows. I will, but I shouldn't have to.

I believe, again, I own myself and have a right to my life, liberty, and property, and, my life, liberty, and property are only forfeit, in part or whole, if I knowingly, willingly, deprive another of his life, liberty, or property. If I'm told 'no, you can't have X' (and I've done nuthin' to warrant such prohibition) my inclination is to go and find X. I'd rather not have to pay double and deal with the disreputable, but I will cuz I decide what's appropriate for me. And, while I do what I do, I hire folks on the local, state, and federal levels to be spikes in the trees, to wreck shit (lookin' toward the long term...dismantling a leviathan is not an over-night job).

[Clodfobble]

Sure, man, I get it. I understand your belief system. What I'm saying is that your guy, Trump, has--at least on this one issue--moved categorically against what you believe in. You said there were no examples, and there is one, right here. Could there maybe be others?

[henry quirk]

"What I'm saying is that your guy, Trump, has--at least on this one issue--moved categorically against what you believe in."

More than one issue: he signed that damned omnibus bill.

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"You said there were no examples"

No, I did not.

This...

Can you point to any piece of Trump-sponsored or Trump-considered legislation that has moved, or will move, America in the direction of state socialism or state communism?

Just one.

I can. Red flag laws. but I think he's just messin' with the dems on that one.

...is what I said.

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"Could there maybe be others?"

I have no doubt there will be.

Where did I say Trump was/is the perfect blunt instrument? He's not. As long as he keeps doin' what's he's doin' (pissin' in Bruce's and tw's cornflakes) I can live with his not bein' perfectly aligned with me.

Now: if he sides with gun banners (let's go get them debbil guns!), that's a no-brainer for me, but a pissy little accessory? Gimme a break.

Do you, when you vote, ever find a perfect candidate who aligns with you square on everything?

Say 'yes' and I know you're a liar.

[fargon]

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If a Democrat had signed that, the wailing in the wilderness about it being the first step to total confiscation, would be deafening.

You seem somehow -- damned if I can figure out how anyone could -- to have missed that bump-stocks really had no friends anyway after Vegas.

As a human-rights organization, the NRA shows a lot of canniness along with its power. We clearly plan to outlast any madness of crowds that might ever militate against human rights and political liberties. Yeah, I'm a Life Member. And you? I'm also fond of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. They make some irrefutable arguments than anyone with an interest should read.

A human right, say, not to endure a genocide is of great moment, saith the JPFO. It's also more readily construable from the text of the Fourth Amendment than even the right to, er, privacy -- and what a can of worms Google has made of that.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You seem somehow -- damned if I can figure out how anyone could -- to have missed that bump-stocks really had no friends anyway after Vegas.

As a human-rights organization, the NRA shows a lot of canniness along with its power. We clearly plan to outlast any madness of crowds that might ever militate against human rights and political liberties. Yeah, I'm a Life Member. And you? I'm also fond of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. They make some irrefutable arguments than anyone with an interest should read.

A human right, say, not to endure a genocide is of great moment, saith the JPFO. It's also more readily construable from the text of the Fourth Amendment than even the right to, er, privacy -- and what a can of worms Google has made of that.

I'm not a life member of anything, I want the option of quitting if I don't like what they are doing.
There is no argument which is irrefutable, only shit you agree with. Why should I care what the Jews do is their country, they are an ally, not a friend.

[henry quirk]

Don't we all.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You can quit the NRA Lifer but they keep your money, so they don't care.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm not a life member of anything, I want the option of quitting if I don't like what they are doing.
There is no argument which is irrefutable, only shit you agree with. Why should I care what the Jews do is their country, they are an ally, not a friend.

Bruce, you were living, breathing, and on occasion reading when Orwell's 1984 was in print -- correct? You didn't just come out of the cabbage leaf in 1997? Ignorance, dear condescendable boy, Is not Strength. You are instead much weakened by it, and your incorrect understanding of an NRA life membership -- well, it's anti-intelligent to get it that wrong no matter what your religion or religion-substitute -- ersatz is bad, very bad -- would have you believe -- unimpressive. Dear ignorant Bruce, do you think I *don't* have the option of quitting? -- I do. A Life Membership means I'm all paid up, get a monthly magazine, and can vote in NRA elections. They offer this franchise to members with this much skin in the game.

I don't get my attitudes from the NRA human-rights lobby -- I joined the NRA because of them.

Your understanding of the JPFO is just as defective: they're not some other country, they're Americans. Blessed with a very readable website in jpfo.org. They disapprove of genocides -- in a way that counts to prevent them. You do not. Shame on you. Really, this is the dumbest post you've ever written.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, I haven't read 1984. I've got a pretty good idea what it's about from what I've read in references. Oh wait, I saw the Animal Farm movie, does that count? Life membership, paid up, so if you quit they don't give a rat's ass because they've got your money. Wonderful, they only skin you have in the game is what they're reaming out of your asshole.

You're right, I was thinking of the JDL, another enemy of the US.
The JPFO is a pisshole in a snowbank, having picked up the fallen torch of the former JPFO. Yelling the holocaust is coming, the holocaust is coming, doesn't cut it.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Wrong yet again, Bruce. I would suggest you quit bowing to false Ba'als, because they are manifestly damaging your reading comprehension and shallowing your intellect. Your arguments autodemonstrate their exiguousness and their unrighteousness. Why, they might even be hemipygian.

Now: once you actually have comprehension of something you read, you would observe they speak of what to *do* to stop a Holocaust. Which is a superb support of the Fourth Amendment, I might add.

But *you,* precious child of God, aren't really understanding that, are you?

Read 1984. It's a fast read, and it's online now. Read it as the cautionary tale it is, and consider its real-world parallels.

[xoxoxoBruce]

God, what a poor misguided sheep you are.

[Undertoad]

Years of Russiagate conspiracy theory means, when something actually impeachable comes out, people just say oh not this again.

[Flint]

But all the Russia stuff was true, and nobody cared.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Flint

But all the Russia stuff was true, and nobody cared.

The Don said he could murder someone on Fifth Ave and would not be prosecuted. Nobody got killed when elections were subverted by foreign powers and lies. Nobody would be prosecuted.