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Old 07-28-2018, 12:31 PM   #31
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Undertoad's quote from a survivor above is the most telling thing I have read.
Some of the folks that made it out were saved by the release of the canopy after the boat was submerged.
That means it was still upright underwater, not overturned or "capsized."

I think the problem started with a reporter and editor who did not (probably still does not) know what the word "capsize" means, but thought it sounded nicely catastrophic.
Other news outlets went with the error, making it common knowledge, but still not true.

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Old 07-28-2018, 01:03 PM   #32
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There was an interview with a couple from the other duck boat, the one that made it back safely, in which they said they heard their captain say the doomed duck boat flipped over or sank. Perhaps that's where it got started.
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Old 07-30-2018, 06:43 PM   #33
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I just saw on the news that the owner of the duck boat company is being sued for 100 million.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:48 AM   #34
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What difference does it make if it capsized or not. The story is it sank and people died.

I rode one giving tours of Hyannis Harbor on Cape Cod a couple years ago.
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Old 08-01-2018, 08:19 AM   #35
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What difference does it make if it capsized or not.
A swamped boat should never capsize; trap and kill it occupants.

In a previous event, an investigation noted serious design deficiencies with that duck boat. For example, it had no reserve buoyancy.

In a Lake George event maybe ten years ago, defective construction made that boat unstable. So it capsized, thereby trapping and killing passengers.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:20 AM   #36
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Gee, the second most active thread of all (6) I've started.
My original point got lost, however.
I know nothing of Duckboats, but was interested in the fact that the one in Arkansas seemed to simply go straight down and 99% of the news stories got stuck on the term "capsized," which did not further understanding of the event.
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:54 PM   #37
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The one in Philly got run over by a huge barge on the Delaware River.

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On July 7, 2010, a barge pushed by a tugboat struck a duck boat stranded in the Delaware River off Penn’s Landing after an engine fire.

Once struck, the amphibious craft capsized and two Hungarian tourists drowned.

The tugboat’s pilot, the Inquirer reported, was on his cellphone handling a family emergency. He served a one-year sentence for “the maritime equivalent of involuntary manslaughter.”
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:58 PM   #38
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Bruce says above:
"What difference does it make if it capsized or not. The story is it sank and people died."
Of course that is the story.
This thread, however, is about the media use of the term "capsize," when it is not certain it did.
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:15 PM   #39
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I think someone has already coined a term for that phenomenon - Fake News.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:20 PM   #40
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They used the wrong word to describe what happened, 90% on the public doesn't know the difference, and 10% who do realize it doesn't make a difference how it went down.

Makes no difference if you did a cannonball or a back dive with 1 1/2 somersaults, and 3 1/2 twists, if you land on the rocks.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:46 AM   #41
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I think someone has already coined a term for that phenomenon - Fake News.
That's a fairly accurate description of the term. Find a minor detail to pick at, and claim that makes the whole story, everything by the author, their news outlet, and the industry in general Fake News. Of course, even the minor detail is not strictly necessary, but if it's there, trumpet it.
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:59 PM   #42
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