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Old 02-18-2017, 01:03 PM   #1
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The Anti-Trump

I live in a society among others with whom I find much common ground. And among others with whom I disagree on many points, great and small. That I, and they, know this and that we both share this society is a tribute to the well crafted, though few, rules upheld in good faith by the leadership of our society. To be sure, all the members follow the same rules, and when people break the rules, they are removed from our society, according to our rules. There is delegation of authority, but the ultimate power lies in the hands of the person at the top, and he subjects himself to the rules. This is an example of discipline and integrity that is wholly internal. No outside force or institution could compel such behavior.

The success, the ongoing success of our society is due to many factors, but the avoidance of a collapse of our society depends on our mutual respect for the rules. This society has been around before me and will be around after me. Many members have come and gone. There have been leadership changes, structural changes, political changes, still the society persists. The people comprising the society have changed, the physical boundaries and location of the society have changed... What remains is an active population that believes in engagement and respect, believes that our mutual self interest is best served when we work together *inside* the rules.

One side could take advantage, game the system, break the rules and acheive more individually, but at the expense of everyone else, like the impatient asshole that drives down the shoulder passing all the other stopped cars--he gets ahead, but blocks the opportunity for emergency vehicles upon which we all depend to be able to move freely. Our society prospers, we all succeed together when we cooperate within the rules. Our society *exists* because we each are a part of, not apart from it. Our leader is a part of our community, not above our society, and that's what makes him the Anti-Trump.

Undertoad, you have created a wonderful, dynamic, important community here at the cellar. You have the power to destroy it, to warp it, to corrupt it, to prostitute it for your own personal gain, but you do not. You do so because you are a good man. I thank you for what you've created and for all you've done to nurture it and maintain it for all these years. Some people say you shouldn't get a cookie for just doing your job. Well, I don't have a cookie for you, but you should know you have my respect, my admiration, and my profound thanks for what you've done and for the example you set. I pray to god your evil doppleganger in the White House would learn a thing or two from you, but as a rational humanist, I know this is a vain hope. You however, retain my trust. Thank you, sir.
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:05 PM   #2
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Posted here and not in cellar meta because this is valuable in a context of political discussion in addition to being hyperlocally pertinent.
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:00 PM   #3
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UNDERTOAD FOR PRESIDENT IN '21!

He'll need a running mate.

The short list:

1. Radar
2. Sam
3. Flint
4. ______
5. ______
6. ______
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:51 PM   #4
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Undertoad, you have created a wonderful, dynamic, important community here at the cellar. You have the power to destroy it, to warp it, to corrupt it, to prostitute it for your own personal gain, but you do not. You do so because you are a good man.
Katkeeper drug him up right for sure... and we know where he lives.
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:16 PM   #5
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~ speaking of which do you know of any for-rents with like 1200 square feet down your part of the creek? J and I are lookin to move in next year, halfway between our commutes... ~

AHEM

Anyways, the politics of it are, I think it only exists because that's how it is. i don't think there's power in it because if anyone tried to suck any power out of it it would cease to exist. We should ask xoB, who has twice as many posts and thus makes up more of The Cellar than you and I combined. I think all he gets out of it are requests for information about rentals and stuff.
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:20 PM   #6
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No, I don't interact with my neighbors for as far as the classification neighbor extends. But I'll ask my buddy the plumber, he knows a lot of shit.
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:54 PM   #7
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But more to the point thank you sir; I have more thoughts on the politics of it but no time to put it together right now!
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Old 02-24-2017, 02:33 PM   #8
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UNDERTOAD FOR PRESIDENT IN '21!

He'll need a running mate.

The short list:

1. Radar
2. Sam
3. Flint
4. ______
5. ______
6. ______

If elected, I will act as an inflammatory anti-Undertoad on BigV's Undertoad anti-Trump, anti-antidisestablishmentarian anti-ticket. You know, impeachment insurance.
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