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Old 02-07-2008, 08:56 PM   #46
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Who will Obama pick as his running-mate?
Louis Farrakhan.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:57 PM   #47
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:51 PM   #48
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Louis Farrakhan.
Frankly I prefer Chuck D Ridenhour. Same ideology, better speaker and younger. That is if Obama were Muslim, which he isn't.
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:08 PM   #49
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:00 AM   #51
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Because he beats the R field in some early polls, while Hillary doesn't.

The guy has zero built-in negatives and world-class poise.
I'm finally making up my mind. Virginia's election is Tuesday, and I'm gonna vote for Sen. Obama. I've had several thoughts about this but it all boils down to UT's quote above from over a year ago.

I think conservatives aren't too fond of McCain, and are less likely to vote in the general election because of that. But if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic nominee, they will all get out to the polls just to vote against her. Obama doesn't generate that kind of hatred. It's the "Billary" and "Hitlery Cliton" etc. comments here on the Cellar that have really opened my eyes. You conservatives really hate her.

I don't think she has been treated fairly at all, but the reality is the reality. You can't pretend it isn't there. I doubt she can win in the general election against McCain, and even if she does win, she will face serious obstruction beginning her first day in office. She would have to fight for every scrap as President. There would be no honeymoon.

Remember all the protesters at Bush's first inaugural parade? I don't think that had ever happened before. You will have that again if Clinton becomes president. I really don't want a polarized country any more. I'm sick of it.

So I'm voting for Obama. He's not the magnet for hate that Sen. Clinton is. Plus, he's inspiring. That counts for a lot.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:26 AM   #52
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All that and he at least seems genuine....

for many of the same reasons, this conservative independent voted for him as well.

I AM FED UP AGAIN/STILL.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:05 AM   #53
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snip~ But if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic nominee, they will all get out to the polls just to vote against her. Obama doesn't generate that kind of hatred. It's the "Billary" and "Hitlery Cliton" etc. comments here on the Cellar that have really opened my eyes. You conservatives really hate her. ~snip
I think that's important. Going by the very unscientific method of counting the emails that mock and vilify Clinton, I'd say there is a very active hate Hillery movement.
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:16 AM   #54
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if Hillary gets the nod, McCain will win. Not because the conservatives like him, but because she will unite them. It will be much like the D's in '04. Most D's deep down didn't care much for Kerry, but rallied behind him because of the deep hatred for Bush. The main difference is that the R's have much more effective vehicles for rallying the troops. Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Ingram, Coulter, and the rest will work night and day to defeat Hillary even though not a single one of them likes McCain. They have 8 years in the White House + her senate years to use as ammo in their quest to fire up the fear.

Obama just doesn't pull that type of reaction. Although he may in fact be further to the left than Hillary, he doesn't have all the baggage. The R machine will still try to rally the troops but they won't be able to stir up as much animosity. I expect that an Obama nod would see many conservatives just skip the election entirely figuring that McCain isn't much different than Obama so there really isn't any point. I would expect an Obama win.

If you don't believe me, consider that Rush has already been talking on those lines. He has suggested contributing to the Clinton campaign in the lead up to the convention. Sure he may be a reactionist jackass, but he has a following.
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Old 02-09-2008, 09:40 PM   #55
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Our problem with Hillary is that her political instincts were molded by Saul Alinsky and developed in a one-party state, the state being Arkansas, to produce a boomer Socialist. I'm a late boomer myself by most reckonings of the baby boom generation, and I escaped that fate, lucky me. If they don't nominate her, that will help shut her up and save the Republic into the bargain. If they do, it will be my exquisite pleasure, and what I conceive to be my duty to my Republic, to vote against her. Since I don't live in New York, I haven't previously had the opportunity. She embodies the approach to the Nanny State that contaminates the entire upper echelon of the Democratic Party and grates upon my libertarian sensibilities. And if Obama's any better about that, I have not heard word one about it.

He's charming and well spoken, but so was la Clinton's husband. It was really too bad how that one kept enough of the electorate fooled to give him a second term of office instead of the turning out his character made him deserve. We can thank Heaven he didn't get to do a good many of the things he wanted to do.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:21 AM   #56
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I'm finally making up my mind. Virginia's election is Tuesday, and I'm gonna vote for Sen. Obama. I've had several thoughts about this but it all boils down to UT's quote above from over a year ago.

I think conservatives aren't too fond of McCain, and are less likely to vote in the general election because of that. But if Sen. Clinton is the Democratic nominee, they will all get out to the polls just to vote against her. Obama doesn't generate that kind of hatred. It's the "Billary" and "Hitlery Cliton" etc. comments here on the Cellar that have really opened my eyes. You conservatives really hate her.

I don't think she has been treated fairly at all, but the reality is the reality. You can't pretend it isn't there. I doubt she can win in the general election against McCain, and even if she does win, she will face serious obstruction beginning her first day in office. She would have to fight for every scrap as President. There would be no honeymoon.

Remember all the protesters at Bush's first inaugural parade? I don't think that had ever happened before. You will have that again if Clinton becomes president. I really don't want a polarized country any more. I'm sick of it.

So I'm voting for Obama. He's not the magnet for hate that Sen. Clinton is. Plus, he's inspiring. That counts for a lot.
I have conservative views on some issues, liberal views on others. I voted for Bush twice as the best bad choice from two very bad choices. Bush turned out to be a idiot and a sock puppet for the people under him. I can't stand Hitlery and will do my best to convince others that she is not the answer to our future as a country. I voted for Obama in the primary.
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:42 AM   #57
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More on Hitlery:

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her record,' which she says includes her eight years in the "White House" as First Lady - or "co-president" - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:.

As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.'

Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be
withdrawn.

Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department,
White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster allegedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to
resign.

Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committeein 1996 both the drug use and Hillary' s involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.

In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense: She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the
appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury

Bill was impeached by the House and Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. She avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times
under oath.

Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state where she had never lived. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get
Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support.

Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.

In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "gender card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on a poor woman.


Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

As a Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family.
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:34 AM   #58
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:::yawn::: You could write a list like that for any politician, if sufficiently motivated...but it doesn't answer the question: what is the motivation? It's like saying "I hate Hillary bad enough to make this list of reasons why I hate her, which are why I hate her, which is why I made the list, and then when I read the list, I realized who much I hate her, so I made this list..." etc.

I don't give a shit about Hillary, but I've that you can't get into a conversation about her without the person you're talking to shouting at you about why you should hate her, if you didn't express sufficient hate in your original, casual mention of her.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:03 AM   #59
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Hitting the nail on the head as usual, Flint. I got dirty looks last night because I wouldn't concede Billary to be assholic, and because I STILL don't give a fuck about a blow job. These looks came from people who don't read or research. They just know we're all supposed to hate the Clintons.
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:15 AM   #60
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...people who don't read or research.
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