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Old 05-15-2007, 07:59 AM   #1
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Global Warmists back off on prediction

Guess what? The earth's climate is kind of stable. Yes, global warming could be a problem, but we know that despite Al Gore's phoney charts, the earth has been warmer quite recently than it is now. Anyway, at least we can take this particular bit of paranoia off the table... unless these computer models are as bad as the previous ones. *dulp!*

OSLO Mainstream climatologists who have feared that global warming could have the paradoxical effect of cooling northwestern Europe or even plunging it into a small ice age have stopped worrying about that particular disaster, although it retains a vivid hold on the public imagination.
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:24 AM   #2
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This is interesting, because I just read in the paper yesterday that NASA has just completed some computer modeling that was too late to include in the inter-government panel's report a couple months ago. Their models show that the effects of global warming will be far worse much sooner than anyone else had predicted.

I'll see if I can dig that up.
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:28 AM   #3
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I think the NASA model shows things getting hotter faster. This doesn't dispute that, they're just saying Northern Europe won't get cold from the changing current temp.
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:50 AM   #4
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It will be interesting to see the changes in localized weather patterns as the average global temperature rises. The article about the NASA model said that for the Eastern US seaboard, the changes would not be good at all. Instead of summer temps in the upper 80s they were talking about summer temps over 100 for extended periods of time. This is by the end of the century.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:44 AM   #5
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They had a guy on the news over the weekend that was predicting 108 deg F for the East Coast Summers.

A hundred years from now.
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Old 05-15-2007, 01:08 PM   #6
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Up ten degrees in 70 years. That's a hell of a lot.

But hey, we'll probably be dead by then. Our kids will probably invent a fix-everything ray in the last minute. Anything we do now is just wasting money.
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Old 05-15-2007, 01:56 PM   #7
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The unfortunate fact is that we really have no freakin' idea what the climate will be like in 10, 50 or 250 years. However, it does make good sense not to screw with the atmosphere or the oceans too much so we should probably just stick with that.

Less fortunate still is the sad fact that because there is so much static about who's right/wrong that even if someone did produce a correct model, we wouldn't even know it.
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:06 PM   #8
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Equation for global warming.

X = Man made global warming

Y = Natural global warming

X + Y =10

Find X
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:19 PM   #9
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snip~even if someone did produce a correct model, we wouldn't even know it.
Nor would they.
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Old 05-15-2007, 04:23 PM   #10
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Equation for global warming.

X = Man made global warming

Y = Natural global warming

X + Y =10

Find X
And as long as there's uncertainty about X, we should assume it's zero and not do anything.
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Old 05-15-2007, 05:07 PM   #11
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And as long as there's uncertainty about X, we should assume it's zero and not do anything.
Well, we always have the fix-everything ray if we are wrong.
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Old 05-15-2007, 05:12 PM   #12
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I thought, maybe our kids should invent a time-machine, and bring the fix-everything-ray back here, but then I guess if they do that, they'd have done that, and everything could be fixed already. then I thought maybe there is a reason for that not happening yet, and then I thought there's a reason for everything, because The Lord works in mysterious ways. So, in conclusion, yeah we should just do nothing.
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:37 PM   #13
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I think our creator is just about ready to throw the ant farm of humanity into the garbage.

Haven't you noticed he hasn't been watering us with the same care as he once did?
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Equation for global warming.

X = Man made global warming

Y = Natural global warming

X + Y =10

Find X
Why do X and Y sum to a constant? I think its...

X + Y = Z

Solve for Z.
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:04 PM   #15
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We can calculate the total global warming but we can't calculate why the Earth is warming. I pretty sure most people agree that the Earth is warming and that is backed by scientific fact.

What we don't know is why the Earth is warming. That is the point of the two variables and why I made the point that it is impossible to calculate X without Y and why it is impossible to calculate Y without X.

To get to the point, even though both variables do add to global warming, we can not say what is causing how much warming so it is a flawed argument to say that global warming is man-made or natural made. It just annoys me when people say "global warming is because of this" when they have no proof to back it up with.
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