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Old 11-19-2019, 04:53 PM   #46
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so, you would strike without first finding out if they were wearing a costume, or leaving the set of a film, or maybe don't understand what they are projecting.
If I were at a Halloween party, I would start with the assumption that the person has extremely bad taste, and see how things developed.


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What kind of arm band do you wear to warn others of the danger they are in if you disagree with their views?
Given the two groups I mentioned, I don't believe in giving them a warning.

Do you think one is warranted? Both of those groups are pretty odious, and a direct existential danger to everyone around them.
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:45 PM   #47
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yes, I think a warning is warranted.



hey, good talk, it was informative.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:01 PM   #48
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Given the two groups I mentioned, I don't believe in giving them a warning. Do you think one is warranted? Both of those groups are pretty odious, and a direct existential danger to everyone around them.
As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them".

When one of those jackasses willingly, knowingly, deprives someone of life, liberty, or property, then go to town on 'em (and not one damn second before).
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:07 PM   #49
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As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them".

When one of those jackasses willingly, knowingly, deprives someone of life, liberty, or property, then go to town on 'em (and not one damn second before).
I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:11 PM   #50
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What kind of arm band do you wear to warn others of the danger they are in if you disagree with their views?
Wh--Wha-

Warn them????
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:12 PM   #51
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:14 PM   #52
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I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.
half a dozen of one, six of the other

anywho: kinda missin' my point
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:26 PM   #53
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half a dozen of one, six of the other

anywho: kinda missin' my point
So you are suggesting that all Muslims are the same as ISIS fanatics?
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:29 PM   #54
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There can't be no us without a them...

that's wrong.


enemies are like problems. if i solved all your problems and killed all your enemies in a day, you'd invent new problems and create new enemies.



fix your point of view. there are no problems, there are no enemies.


there are situations and other people that are starring in their own realities.


respect them and have peace, or struggle against them and have suffering.


your choice.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:31 PM   #55
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So you are suggesting that all Muslims are the same as ISIS fanatics?
nope. muslims and islamists are two different animals.

again: missin' my point (on purpose).
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:36 PM   #56
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nope. muslims and islamists are two different animals.

again: missin' my point (on purpose).
Not on purpose. It isn't quite clear to me. I made a statement, you added qualifiers for yourself but also put words in my mouth, and now you are saying that I am deliberately missing your point.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:53 PM   #57
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Not on purpose. It isn't quite clear to me. I made a statement, you added qualifiers for yourself but also put words in my mouth, and now you are saying that I am deliberately missing your point.
Hey, you wanna go with isis? Okay...

As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, ISIS (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them".

When one of those jackasses willingly, knowingly, deprives someone of life, liberty, or property, then go to town on 'em (and not one damn second before).


I wasn't puttin' words in your mouth; I just see no difference between islamists and isis.

As for my point: don't lay hands on the other guy till he lays hands on you, no matter how odious his thinkin' is.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:37 PM   #58
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To work hard at identifying the correct enemy, to imagine their evil thinking, to consider the possible attacks, to fantasize about the violence, this all the chimp heritage right here right now

It will be our destruction
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:45 PM   #59
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I will put up with anyone who puts up with everyone else, no matter how much I disagree with them. Nazis and ISIS are the only two groups that I don't feel any need to tolerate on even a provisional basis.
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As a natural rights libertarian, I absolutely agree: nazis, islamists (along with socialist/commies and thought police) are "direct existential danger(s) to everyone around them". ...
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I didn't say Islamists. I said ISIS.
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So you are suggesting that all Muslims are the same as ISIS fanatics?
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nope. muslims and islamists are two different animals.
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I wasn't puttin' words in your mouth; I just see no difference between islamists and isis.
(changes in BOLD type mine for continuity)

The definitions can be a slippery slope.

I find it helpful to think of it as the Spectrum of Islam Continuum:

Muslims (have Islam as their religion) > Fundamentalist Muslims/Islamists (have Islam as their religion and politics by peaceful means) > Extreme/Fanatic/Radical Islamists [Extremists] (have Islam as their religion and politics by any means necessary).

Between the terms Muslims and Islamists there's some overlap; but, I don't consider them the same.

Between the terms Islamists and Extremists (like ISIS) there's some overlap; but, I don't consider them the same.

FWIW:

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...-vs.-islamists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism
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Old 11-20-2019, 08:28 AM   #60
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The definitions can be a slippery slope.
True, but kinda beside the (my) point.

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Given the two groups I mentioned, I don't believe in giving them a warning.

Do you think one is warranted? Both of those groups are pretty odious, and a direct existential danger to everyone around them.
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As for my point: don't lay hands on the other guy till he lays hands on you, no matter how odious his thinkin' is.
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