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Old 05-06-2011, 03:08 PM   #1
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Sonic CC Machines

The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???
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Old 05-06-2011, 03:11 PM   #2
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Lower risk of heart disease?
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Old 05-06-2011, 03:20 PM   #3
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What the fuck are you talking about? The hedgehog?????
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Old 05-06-2011, 03:33 PM   #4
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The drive-up fast-food joint I reckon.
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Old 05-06-2011, 04:01 PM   #5
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What the fuck are you talking about? The hedgehog?????
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The drive-up fast-food joint I reckon.
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Old 05-06-2011, 04:02 PM   #6
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OH, and CC is credit card.



We had a Sonic for like a year, then it just *poof* went out of business. I never did eat there.
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Old 05-06-2011, 04:16 PM   #7
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If you park close enough to the menu thingie to run your card, then the person who comes to give you food can't reach your window.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:00 PM   #8
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And it's more like a not-so-fast food joint.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:01 PM   #9
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The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???
then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:31 PM   #10
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then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

and they come out Fingerprint you , Draw Blood , snip hair and Photograph you for Identity purposes
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:46 PM   #11
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The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???
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then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.
It is the wording/intent of the question that confuses me. If I don't know the PIN of the card I am running, then it isn't my card. It must be a stolen card. Running it as credit, without (I assume) even bothering to a check photo ID... how is that right? It appears that they are encouraging people to make fraudulent purchases.

If you don't know the PIN, they should call the police.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:49 PM   #12
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It should probably ask, then, "Do you remember your PIN?"
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Old 05-06-2011, 06:16 PM   #13
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I have made numerous transactions with my plastic that did not require a signature or a PIN.

It is easy to make fraudulent purchases in this way.

I don't see the wording of this prompt as encouraging people to make fraudulent purchases. I see it as the first step in a decision tree of the payment processing system to determine how to process the payment. the wording could be different--in fact, when I bought groceries at the store this morning, the first prompt I saw was (words to the effect of): Credit / Debit? This is the same question essentially. I think the wording of the Sonic initial prompt was chosen for two reasons. 1 -- it is more conversational than credit/debit. and 2 -- it does seem to bias the transaction toward PIN/debit usage. Otherwise, if they're able to process it as a credit without a signature, why wouldn't they? and just skip the whole extra debit/pin trouble. I think they DON'T do this for two reasons. I think they would want to use the least expensive transaction model, and I think this is the debit transaction, and I think they'd want to make your shopping experience at Sonic as easy and uncomplicated as possible, therefore why bother you with a signature if they don't have to.

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then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

and they come out Fingerprint you , Draw Blood , snip hair and Photograph you for Identity purposes, wrap you in a body bag, and bury you at sea. Photos will not be published.
Tell the full story, Zip.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:06 PM   #15
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I maintain that it would be vanishingly unlikely for someone to not know the PIN of the card they are carrying, without this indicating a deeper problem. The wording of the question is "do you know" your PIN. I don't understand what scenario that is designed to address.

Someone buying a hamburger with a stolen card...? With a card they "borrowed" from someone without asking...?
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