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Old 04-13-2012, 03:13 PM   #46
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It wasn't built on God, JBK. It was built on the idea that the government can't abuse the rights of its citizens. You don't have to agree, but I think you need to study the history of the founders and their beliefs if you're going to make that argument.

If you don't believe me, the first amendment still says there shall be no establishment of religion. The government can NOT impose religious values for religion's sake upon the population. I'm a bisexual transgender anarchosocialist atheist. I would be literally dead if the government was built on Levitical law. I would be only slightly safer if it was built on New Testament law. Why should my lifestyle be illegal, JBK?
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:33 PM   #47
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I'm not a smart man Ibram but I know who GOD is... the only thing evil people need to be victorious is for good people to do nothing.. If that's your lifestyle maybe we need an amendment that says freaks should be confined to titty bars..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

that means that Government can't Control religion not that religion can't control government.
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:56 PM   #48
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We're done, JBK. I tried to be respectful, I really did, I tried to give you chance after chance.

You don't say that.

You don't.

get the fuck out of here, you sick fuck. stay the fuck away from any thread i'm liable to pick a fight with you in, or get the fuck out of here entirely, or you better goddamn well learn to keep your bigotry in check around here. learn some fucking respect. you dont have to like my lifestyle not to call me a freak.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:08 PM   #49
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I'm a bigger freak than you'll ever know but you don't see me trying to impose homo law on anyone.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:24 PM   #50
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It's just the bookend to this, but with more fairness behind it.
Perhaps a drop more, if any.

If they are serious, they'll adjust the Cap gains rates and remove about 10,000 pages of loopholes.
Some will pay a little, others will pay a little more and still others will pay a lot more.
They just aren't serious. Like it or not, both teams are full of shit.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:25 PM   #51
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I'm a bigger freak than you'll ever know but you don't see me trying to impose homo law on anyone.
"impose"? what am i trying to "impose" on your ass? You want it in the ass, you dont want it in the ass, it's all the same to me. There's no such thing as "homo law". what does that even mean? Nobody in the gay community is trying to legislate ANYTHING that would affect straight people, even bigots like you.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:30 PM   #52
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The white house has just released a buffet rule calculator. See how many millionaires paid a lower tax rate than YOU!
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:32 PM   #53
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

ok.. I'll try not to do that
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:36 PM   #54
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

ok.. I'll try not to do that
do you understand at all how you're being wildly offensive or are you just completely oblivious?
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:40 PM   #55
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Here is a great article. Ibs, I'd like your takeaway on it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:42 PM   #56
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that means that Government can't Control religion not that religion can't control government.
Now you are scaring the crap outa me. Truly, those words say "American Taliban" to most people who read them. You often talk about your fear and confusion about your relationship with God but you want to force others to live by a particular creed. That doesn't cut it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:02 PM   #57
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Truly, those words say "American Taliban" to most people who read them. You often talk about your fear and confusion about your relationship with God but you want to force others to live by a particular creed.
What anyone believes about a god is only a relationship between that human brain and a concept called god. That relationship must never appear in economics (a relationship between people), how a man builds his house, how government works and makes laws, or even in a priest's 'love' of children.

Society must impose nothing on one man's relationship with his god. That religious relationship must not be imposed on any other part of society - despite a Catholic Church that demands Papal Doctrine be imposed on all Americans.

Relevant discussion is about how government welfare for the rich (ie George Jr's tax cuts) have so harmed this American economy. And why continuing those tax cuts (that encourages economic downturn) is somehow good or should continue.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:14 PM   #58
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Here is a great article. Ibs, I'd like your takeaway on it.
Well, I'd say, broadly, that I don't accept the argument that you should include his corporation's tax rate in his tax calculation, so that's irrelevant to me. When the article says
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A question for any political candidate today is whether he or she agrees with the Bush tax ceiling. If not, how high above a third is he or she willing to go?
I think that one-third is too low of a ceiling. I think the argument that they're the "working rich" doesn't mitigate the fact that they're the rich, when it comes to taxation. And I think that the capital gains loophole, for example, should be closed.
I'd be all for simplifying the tax code, and I think loopholes and deductions that unfairly benefit the wealthy should be closed, but I think that the wealthy should pay a significantly higher tax burden than the rest of the population, because I firmly believe that without government investment and support, not a single one of them would be in the position they're in. We don't and never will live in a Randian capitalist society, where the wealthy make it on their own merit alone, and those who make it should give back at a higher rate than those that don't make it, to help promote the government infrastructure, institutions, and bureaucracy that is an integral part of what contributes to financial success in the market and help establish the next generation of "self"-made wealthy.
This is not to detract from the immense wealth, prestige, and success that the wealthy often deserve. I'm certainly not in a position to make that kind of money, and those that aren't born into wealth, who DO pull themselves up by their bootstraps, definitely deserve what they make. I'm not saying they'd be nothing without the government. I'm not saying it's the government that they owe their success to. But the roads, the regulations, the investments, the education, the infrastructure... the government helps. And so those that manage to get wealthy, should have to not only give back, but give back more.

more or less.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:15 PM   #59
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do you understand at all how you're being wildly offensive or are you just completely oblivious?
I see it more like Helen Keller except I'm an artist... I am a RAW and untapped source of emotion and will power.. I need to be molded into something that people can understand.. and until I find a better way I am going to keep my motor running and keep the waves comming.. then of coarse you could look at it from the other side of the spectrum which says I'm right and your wrong but that's a little rash seeings how I know that what it comes down to is a lack of education and I want to be taught only no-one cares to teach so I have developed a superior method of forceing my way into the mainstream. Either way for me it's about survival and I'm a freelancer, completely independent of everything except the federal government. Do you care to explain to me what the 'hell' a Taliban is I'll look it up hold on.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #60
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Being a freelancer doesn't give you a free pass JB.
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