Why California Sucks Ass!!!

[Aliantha]

Oh yeah, one other thing.

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who thinks you've ever 'won' every discussion you and I (or you and anyone else) have ever had. If it makes you feel good about yourself to think so, that's ok though. Surprisingly, I really don't lose any sleep over people like you who to me, are the bad apples that put a tarnished reflection on all their countrymen and women. I don't suppose you care about that though...considering you're an individual and don't care about your countrymen beyond the constitution and how it affects you as an individual.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Radar

It grants government certain powers and those include ROADS.

Post roads?

[Sundae]

I like this!
Let me know when it's officially a meme and I'll join in.

[Radar]

I was a winner before, during, and after I ran for office. I accomplished all of my goals of running a successful information campaign.

I never planned on winning the office. That would be impossible given the circumstances and the district demographics.

Before 1913, Americans didn't pay income taxes, but guess what? We had paved roads. We had a legislature. We had a military, etc.

Claiming toll roads isn't a feasible solution only shows that you know little to nothing about the subject and haven't dedicated any actual thought to the subject...much like every other subject, especially with regard to Israel and the middle-east.

I love how you think it's wrong for the people who use a service to pay for it, and for those who don't use it to be exempt from paying for it. It shows how irrational you truly are.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Oh yeah, one other thing.

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who thinks you've ever 'won' every discussion you and I (or you and anyone else) have ever had. If it makes you feel good about yourself to think so, that's ok though. Surprisingly, I really don't lose any sleep over people like you who to me, are the bad apples that put a tarnished reflection on all their countrymen and women. I don't suppose you care about that though...considering you're an individual and don't care about your countrymen beyond the constitution and how it affects you as an individual.

I'm a shining example of what a truly patriotic, well-educated, and hard-working American can be. I'm a credit to my country and improve the reputation of America and my countrymen. When I travel to other countries, I am an ambassador of good will and friendship to all nations, but would still never allow my government to step beyond the boundaries of its limited powers. I care about myself, my family members, and my fellow citizens. This is why I constantly stay on the side of freedom, and away from stupidity like socialism. I fight for my freedom and for the freedom of those who are too stupid to know what freedom is. Even those who stupidly look to government to solve their problems.

[classicman]

:speechless:

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Radar

It grants government certain powers and those include ROADS.

But only Post roads, right?

[Sundae]

Post roads!
Post roads!

[jinx]

Post exclusive roads? Or enough roads to get the mail thru (which pretty much covers everywhere most people want to go)?

[Undertoad]

That's a question that was answered by the Courts in the late 1800s, but I'm sure Radar will have the correct answer for us through divination of the meaning as originally written. We wait.

[smoothmoniker]

All court interpretations are meaningless. Just read the plain sense of the document, stupid sheeple!

[Sundae]

Everyone should live in the way they did when the Constitution was written. Then it can be accepted for the truth that it is. Roads? Who needs roads? Your slaves can cut across country.

[spudcon]

Pssst. Slavery was/is unconstitutional.

[Sundae]

Those who wrote it owned slaves.

Slavery is seen in the Constitution in a few key places. The first is in the Enumeration Clause, where representatives are apportioned. Each state is given a number of representatives based on its population - in that population, slaves, called "other persons," are counted as three-fifths of a whole person. This compromise was hard-fought, with Northerners wishing that slaves, legally property, but uncounted, much as mules and horses are uncounted. Southerners, however, well aware of the high proportion of slaves to the total population in their states, wanted them counted as whole persons despite their legal status. The three-fifths number was a ratio used by the Congress in contemporary legislation and was agreed upon with little debate.

In Article 1, Section 9, Congress is limited, expressly, from prohibiting the "Importation" of slaves, before 1808. The slave trade was a bone of contention for many, with some who supported slavery abhorring the slave trade. The 1808 date, a compromise of 20 years, allowed the slave trade to continue, but placed a date-certain on its survival. Congress eventually passed a law outlawing the slave trade that became effective on January 1, 1808.

The Fugitive Slave Clause is the last mention. In it, a problem that slave states had with extradition of escaped slaves was resolved. The laws of one state, the clause says, cannot excuse a person from "Service or Labour" in another state. The clause expressly requires that the state in which an escapee is found deliver the slave to the state he escaped from "on Claim of the Party."

Jefferson might have written that "all men are created equal", but he bought and sold human beings all the same. Obviously when they wrote about men (not women, not mankind) it didn't include people of different coloured skin. After all, the Native Americans were hardly treated as equal either.

Now I don't judge present day America on its shameful history. Not slavery and not the Ku Klux Klan. I hope that I'm not judged on Colonial Britain and Amritsah. But I don't push a bigoted old piece of paper as the basis of everything that is right and true in this country.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by jinx

Post exclusive roads? Or enough roads to get the mail thru (which pretty much covers everywhere most people want to go)?

I get my mail at my house. In order for the postal service to deliver mail to my house, a road must be built. This means that all roads are post roads because they all lead to some address.

As far as the original intent of the founders, they intended for people to get their mail. A postal road back then was a road to connect post offices so mail could be delivered between them. Since then, the postal service has changed a bit, and delivers to a lot more places. It's up to the fed to make sure there's a road everywhere that mail is delivered.