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Old 05-23-2017, 11:40 PM   #1051
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:13 AM   #1052
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The text credits the elevator, but I notice the real change agent in the pictures is the bridge.
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Old 05-24-2017, 09:37 AM   #1053
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The bridge caused the skyscrapers? That's even a bigger stretch than the elevators.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:13 AM   #1054
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the bridge brought commerce and increased the land value. So the only way to build was up. The elevators were invented to fill that need.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:08 PM   #1055
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glatt is correct. Bridges are the cause of everything. Bridges bring people.

You don't need buildings or elevators or anything else without people.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:10 PM   #1056
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You don't need bridges to bring people unless you have buildings for them to live and work in. The higher the buildings the more people you need.
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:25 AM   #1057
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The higher the buildings the more people you need.
You have that backwards. When you have lots of people, you need bigger buildings.
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:44 AM   #1058
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No no, people aren't standing in the street waiting for the building to be finished so they'll have some place to work/live.
If it's a company putting up a building for their firm, they always build bigger than they need hoping the business will grow and require more people.
The rest of the buildings are built by real estate speculators to rent space out. 99% of all cities have a surplus of unrented space. You know, vacancies, not built to demand, but in hopes of future demand.
If there is future business expansion, they might even have to build a bridge to accommodate those increases. That would be facilitating those increases not creating them.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:20 AM   #1059
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Bridges increase the radius of people available to work in office space, which would increase the demand for big office buildings. They might also cause a short-term decrease in housing demand, as homebuyers consider property on the other side of the bridge. That decrease should be eliminated and reversed as the commercial buildup continues, and people realize that commuting across a bridge can quickly become terrible.
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:59 PM   #1060
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Bridges are ways over obstacles. And that's all they are.
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Old 05-25-2017, 04:02 PM   #1061
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There is no need to increase the radius until the skyscrapers are built and elevated.
Bridges facilitate white flight and the slumming of the hoods they flighted. People coming over the bridge are couthless bumpkins, the city is just where the job is. They jaywalk, take short cuts across the grass, spit on the sidewalk, and cheat on their spouses and/or taxes.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:03 AM   #1062
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Buildings are built by private ventures, bridges by public. In my experience, the private ventures jump out in front of the demand (sometimes fucking up and losing all their money on an empty building) while the public ventures don't build until the situation gets bad enough to warrant it. When has a road ever been built where you were like, "Huh. I guess that could be useful," as opposed to "Jesus fuck, three years of construction traffic for this, and it's barely made a dent."
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Old 05-26-2017, 08:27 AM   #1063
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I'm not saying the elevator had no impact. I just think the bridge had a much larger impact.

NYC was always a bustling city. It was the gateway to much (most?) of America for centuries. The Erie Canal was probably the biggest agent for change in NYC. Followed by the Brooklyn Bridge, and then the inevitable elevators.

When you build a road into the wilderness, towns spring up along it. See the Amazon for an example in our lifetime. You can't look at the infill roads and highways built through existing suburbia to find your lessons about growth.

Manhattan was already there and already bustling before the bridge was built, but the bridge linked it to Brooklyn and that provided much needed residential space to house the employees. Brooklyn was already there too, but you had to take a boat (ferry) and the bridge carried exponentially more people. Living in Brooklyn and working in Manhattan made life more economically manageable for the workers, and so more workers came. Brooklyn grew in population very quickly. And Manhattan, where the jobs were, was also growing. But it was on a tiny sliver of land so the only way to build was to go up.

The height of buildings was limited by stairs, but there was a tremendous pressure to figure that problem out. Hoists were well known. Everyone had used them to get buckets of water out of a well. They had been around for thousands of years. This was the height of the industrial revolution, and the task of making a hoist just that much more reliable and safe was a relatively simple one that was inevitable. If Otis hadn't come up with the fix, somebody else would have. Manhattan was bursting at the seams.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:21 AM   #1064
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Would you pay three million dollars for a 100th floor penthouse... walk up?
There wouldn't be tall buildings making room for all those jobs if not for the elevator. You're right, if it hadn't been Otis it would have been someone else, but the fact remains without the safe elevator the city could not have grown to accommodate enough people to warrant a bridge.
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Old 05-29-2017, 11:53 AM   #1065
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Progress of NYC...
More interesting history about lifts as "mass transportation" systems.
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