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04-24-2018, 12:40 PM | #16 | |
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04-24-2018, 03:01 PM | #17 |
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...I anticipated that objection, which is why I specified what nasty is: inventing new rights to be violated, such as the right not to be offended. That's not a right; in fact exactly the opposite, it's specifically meant to control speech, and really, to control thought.
It's not a slippery slope, it's a problem right now: people are being prosecuted right now for saying things. |
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04-24-2018, 03:28 PM | #19 | |
We have to go back, Kate!
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Pies.
We'll always have pies. Proper pies. Proper British pies.
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04-24-2018, 05:29 PM | #20 | |
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It goes right back to a fundamental problem. Many adults are still children. They make conclusions from their emotions - fail to use a pre-frontal cortex. An adult acting like an adult will first collect facts and then make a logical conclusion. Supporters of bullies make an immediate conclusion from their emotions. Automatically believe a first thing told. And then are so emotional as to deny any realities and facts that expose the lie. We all saw this with Saddam's WMDs. Facts clearly stated WMDs did not exist. But fears, lies, and other emotional hype even claimed Saddam was a threat to the US mainland. Obviously that was impossible. Even countries adjacent to Iraq said he was not a threat. But emotions were embedded in so many who made decisions based only in their fears and other emotions. That explains why offensive speech is so dangerous. Even successfully used by Hitler to define Jews as evil. It was so easily used by Hitler to justify racism - a superior blue eyed, blond haired superior German race. Those lies were believed because so many adults thought emotionally like children. Obviously those claims were bogus to adults who were thinking like adults. It also explains the entrenched and obviously ignorant support for The Donald. It is not just Trump who plays this emotion card. Bernie Sanders was doing same. Yes, his objectives were admirable. But his solutions had no basis in reality. Even his supporters, when challenged to explain their support, would recite myths. A classic one was the Federal Reserve is a private corporation harmful to the economy. Tea Party was created on another lie - that TARP was evil to enrich the elitists (ie Rockefellers). Basic economics were irrelevant to their emotions. Many adults think like children - making offensive speech so dangerous. So we address offensive speech rather then the reason why offensive speech creates so much evil. Unfortunately, it is not possible to require adults to think like adults - even if they use emotions to create a crime - like the launch of the Challenger. It usually takes something like murder (ie drag racing on public streets) to address this problem. |
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04-24-2018, 05:30 PM | #21 |
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How about the right not to be offended by consenting adults who are sharing/communicating explicit material via the internet which does not objectify much less "traffic" anyone, and specifically only involves (in ANY way) the willing, consenting, adult participants?
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04-24-2018, 05:56 PM | #22 | |
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Offensive speech even in tonight's news. Rather than do research for a Veterans Administration secretary, the Donald did (last month) what the emotional do. He promoted his White House doctor.
Turns out this doctor (Jackson) was demeaning, offensive, an over aggressive pill pusher, and may have come to work drunk. Rather than admit he did not do what an adult does (do the research), the Donald instead attacked to so many who came forward with facts. It took about a month for reality to get to the Donald. How many citizens so hate America as to believe the Donald's offensive accusations rather than learn facts? Too many. Quote:
Ironically, he fired the previous (and well respected) administrator via a Tweet. This president does not have the balls to fire anyone personally - and with facts that justify that decision. How do bullies obtain support and power? How does he justify his ignorance? He offensively attacks others. That makes hiim popular among adults who are still children. |
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04-24-2018, 09:10 PM | #23 | |
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04-24-2018, 10:28 PM | #24 |
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"Nazi pug" comic -- makes his point, better than it's ever been made before.
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04-25-2018, 07:19 AM | #25 |
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I can't follow their accents... he's saying "You just said the sentence 2 minutes ago, why should I consider your context if you won't consider mine," but what illegal/offensive sentence did the journalist say? Was it the "You said 'gas the Jews' 23 times" bit?
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04-25-2018, 07:26 AM | #26 |
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Yes. The journalist spoke the exact same words, but as a quote. Nobody will think the journalist is anti-Semitic, because of the context of the phrase being a quote. Therefor context matters.
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04-25-2018, 02:12 PM | #27 |
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Much ado about nothing.
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04-25-2018, 02:22 PM | #28 |
I think this line's mostly filler.
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Note: It's not Snoop Dogg lyrics, apparently there's also a Snap Dogg.
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04-27-2018, 12:23 PM | #29 |
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What is the line between "porn" and consensual sex work, such as "cam girls" --are the operators of those websites "trafficking" the participants, or are they consenting adults?
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04-27-2018, 04:57 PM | #30 |
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There is no line.
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