Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY

Lamplighter · 07-14-2010, 07:30 PM

I searched Cellar, but did not find recent postings about the proposed "Mosque at the WTC",
but I'm sure everyone has heard of the furor that has started over it.

I was curious as to just where this mosque would be since some were saying it was just 2 blocks away from Ground Zero,
and others were asking how many blocks away should it be.

The location is at the "pink dot" on the Google map below.
It looks as though there are other religious facilities within roughly the same distance. (catholic, methodist, etc)

SamIam · 07-14-2010, 08:21 PM

Well, while we have lost some freedoms thanks to 9/11, I don't believe religous freedom is one of them. They can build the Satanic Chapel of Shit Kicking Cat Worshippers on or near the site of 9/11, and the only people who would object would be those ungodly dog lovers with which this nation unfortunately abounds.

What are we going to do? Prohibit the construction of all mosques forever? Or a mosque is okay if its at least 100 miles away from 9/11? What about a cat's whisker less than 100 miles? Is one mile away blasphemy, but two miles away is fine? I think that the people who get riled up over this have too much time on their hands.

spudcon · 07-14-2010, 08:32 PM

I think Saudi Arabia would be far enough. And the Catholics, Methodists, or the Satanic Chapel of Shit Kicking Cat didn't attack us, or fly planes into the world community that worked in the twin towers.

classicman · 07-14-2010, 08:40 PM

I think its akin to the relatives of the guys that murdered your husband/wife/children/parents/friends and or neighbors moving in down the street from you. . . sorta.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-15-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I think its akin to the relatives of the guys that murdered your husband/wife/children/parents/friends and or neighbors moving in down the street from you. . . sorta.

A real big sorta...

classicman · 07-15-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

A real big sorta...

How so?
If you were closer to this perhaps you'd think differently.
I know people who used to work at the WTC and/or lost loved ones in the attack - thats pretty much what they've told me.

SamIam · 07-15-2010, 08:31 AM

Just because you are a Muslim doesn't mean that you are a terrorist any more than being a Christian means you're a member of the Spanish inquisition.

We either have freedom of religion in this country or we don't. I for one do not want a government that tells me when and where I can worship the god(s) it has chosen for me.

glatt · 07-15-2010, 08:39 AM

There's nothing to discuss.

The US Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

piercehawkeye45 · 07-15-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

How so?
If you were closer to this perhaps you'd think differently.
I know people who used to work at the WTC and/or lost loved ones in the attack - thats pretty much what they've told me.

Honestly, it is more situation dependent than anything. Even though legally there is very little that can be done, if the mosque was sponsored or run by extremists Muslims, yes, that would be very insulting to anyone who was affected by 9/11. If the mosque is like most mosques in the US, and not radical, then there is no more relation between them and Al Qaeda as there is between a liberal Christian and the Westboro fuckers.

I think it is in bad taste either way but whatever.

classicman · 07-15-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I think it is in bad taste either way but whatever.

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Sundae · 07-15-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Honestly, it is more situation dependent than anything. Even though legally there is very little that can be done, if the mosque was sponsored or run by extremists Muslims, yes, that would be very insulting to anyone who was affected by 9/11. If the mosque is like most mosques in the US, and not radical, then there is no more relation between them and Al Qaeda as there is between a liberal Christian and the Westboro fuckers..

^ What he said ^

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I think it is in bad taste either way but whatever.

WTF???
That's like saying no Christians can attend funerals because of the Westboro fuckers?!

You either have a Constitution or you don't.
If you guarantee rights and are justifiably proud that you did so WAY before any other country, then you have to stick to that, unpleasant incidents notwithstanding.

If you penalise New York dwelling American Muslims, tax paying, law abiding, family oriented people who came to America to live and worship in freedom then I have to ask what you have left to defend.

Happy Monkey · 07-14-2010, 09:24 PM

Likewise Catholic churches and pedophiles.

Shawnee123 · 07-14-2010, 10:10 PM

I am so scared of this place. You can't help but see it on the way to Toledo.

Come on. Completely unrelated to terrorists, there are good citizens of other nationalities.

Your xenophobia is showing, c-man.

Perhaps you prefer this graven image. Burnt but will rise again.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-14-2010, 11:21 PM

They're doing the same thing in London, the site and size was chosen to be in your face.

Lamplighter · 07-15-2010, 01:17 AM

The mosque in London was initiated in 2004 and planned for use during the Olympics.
Last July construction began on an expansion project described as:

"The East London Mosque and London Muslim Centre have commenced building works on an eight and half storey project which is primarily focussed on women's need. It will contain brand new funeral facilities, new prayer space for men and women, women' educational facilities and a women's health and fitness centre. "

Now events are being held to unite local communities.

07-14-2010, 07:30 PM	#1
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY I searched Cellar, but did not find recent postings about the proposed "Mosque at the WTC", but I'm sure everyone has heard of the furor that has started over it. I was curious as to just where this mosque would be since some were saying it was just 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, and others were asking how many blocks away should it be. The location is at the "pink dot" on the Google map below. It looks as though there are other religious facilities within roughly the same distance. (catholic, methodist, etc) Attached Images

07-14-2010, 08:32 PM	#3
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	I think Saudi Arabia would be far enough. And the Catholics, Methodists, or the Satanic Chapel of Shit Kicking Cat didn't attack us, or fly planes into the world community that worked in the twin towers. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

07-14-2010, 08:40 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think its akin to the relatives of the guys that murdered your husband/wife/children/parents/friends and or neighbors moving in down the street from you. . . sorta. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

07-14-2010, 09:24 PM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Likewise Catholic churches and pedophiles. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-14-2010, 10:10 PM	#13
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I am so scared of this place. You can't help but see it on the way to Toledo. Come on. Completely unrelated to terrorists, there are good citizens of other nationalities. Your xenophobia is showing, c-man. Perhaps you prefer this graven image. Burnt but will rise again. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

07-14-2010, 08:21 PM	#2
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Well, while we have lost some freedoms thanks to 9/11, I don't believe religous freedom is one of them. They can build the Satanic Chapel of Shit Kicking Cat Worshippers on or near the site of 9/11, and the only people who would object would be those ungodly dog lovers with which this nation unfortunately abounds. What are we going to do? Prohibit the construction of all mosques forever? Or a mosque is okay if its at least 100 miles away from 9/11? What about a cat's whisker less than 100 miles? Is one mile away blasphemy, but two miles away is fine? I think that the people who get riled up over this have too much time on their hands.

07-15-2010, 08:31 AM	#7
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Just because you are a Muslim doesn't mean that you are a terrorist any more than being a Christian means you're a member of the Spanish inquisition. We either have freedom of religion in this country or we don't. I for one do not want a government that tells me when and where I can worship the god(s) it has chosen for me.

07-15-2010, 08:39 AM	#8
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	There's nothing to discuss. The US Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

07-14-2010, 11:21 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They're doing the same thing in London, the site and size was chosen to be in your face. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-15-2010, 01:17 AM	#15
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	The mosque in London was initiated in 2004 and planned for use during the Olympics. Last July construction began on an expansion project described as: "The East London Mosque and London Muslim Centre have commenced building works on an eight and half storey project which is primarily focussed on women's need. It will contain brand new funeral facilities, new prayer space for men and women, women' educational facilities and a women's health and fitness centre. " Now events are being held to unite local communities.

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