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Old 09-07-2009, 09:08 AM   #676
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Meanwhile, back to the topic at hand...

A critical look at the French Health system is making the news.

French healthcare is 'badly run'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3423159.stm
Irrelevant.

It has no bearing on the proposals on the table for reform in the US, since no proposal resembles the French system.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:10 AM   #677
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Completely relevant. As many critics have done nothing but compare the US healthcare system to that of the one's in the UK, France, and Germany.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:12 AM   #678
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Completely relevant. As many have done nothing but compare the US healthcare system to that of the one's in the UK, France, and Germany.
Please cite any Democratic member of Congress or the Obama administration..or any objective observer...who have suggested the propsoals for reform should mirror anything in Europe.

It is solely the demagoguery of the Right that makes that comparison....along with "socialism" and "death panels" and "big brother making your medical decisions"
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:13 AM   #679
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Read the last 46 pages.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:16 AM   #680
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Read the last 46 pages.
Yep....demagoguery of the Right...with you leading the way with your misleading and, more often that not, completely baseless partisan editorials.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:24 AM   #681
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If you don't think that members of Congress and other critics of healthcare in the US have made comparisons to rates of disease and cost outcomes to that in European countries you have not been paying attention to the debate. It is not about "demagoguery" as you attempt to fend off critisim of the Demoncratic plans. Talk about fear mongering. You and Hillary Clinton have much in common, "It's a Right Wing Conspiracy!". It is about honest debate about how Congress plans to implement the most sweeping social change in US history since the social programs of FDR.
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If you don't think that members of Congress and other critics of healthcare in the US have made comparisons to rates of disease and cost outcomes to that in European countries you have not been paying attention to the debate. It is not about "demagoguery" as you attempt to fend off critisim of the Demoncratic plans. Talk about fear mongering. You and Hillary Clinton have much in common, "It's a Right Wing Conspiracy!". It is about honest debate about how Congress plans to implement the most sweeping social change in US history since the social programs of FDR.
Sure...Republican members of Congress (not to mention the town hall crazies) with the never ending charges of "socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions" is not demagoguery.

It is honest debate.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:31 AM   #683
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Sure...screaming "socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions" is not demagoguery.
I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.
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I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.
Hmmmm...you posted at least two partisan editorials from Betsy Mccaughey that I can recall on the "death panels" and other false characterizations of the current proposals....and, when challenged, you even said the "death panels" were, at worst, only a "slight" exaggeration.
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Hmmmm...you posted at least two partisan editorials from Betsy Mccaughey that I can recall on the "death panels" and other false characterizations of the current proposals.
I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.
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SO now you are running away from your own posts (paraphrase - "death panels only a slight exaggeration")

Cool!

That doesnt change the fact that Republicans in Congress are still using the same demagoguery....."socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions"

How is that an honest debate?
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SO now you are running away from your own posts ("death panels only a slight exaggeration")

Cool!

That doesnt change the fact that Republicans in Congress are still using the same demagoguery....."socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions"

How is that an honest debate?
I haven't run from anything. The Death Panel issue has been debunked nearly as soon as it came out. The bigger issue was that they were going to reimburse people for the discussion. I could give a shit about Republickins in Congress. They are not in charge. The Demoncrats are in charge and have been in charge for more than 2 years. The responsiblity lies with them. This is about the Obama and Demoncratic plans for healthcare reform. Not about what the minority says but what about the majority are trying to Rham through, which thank God they have been prevented from doing in this case.
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I get it...ignore the lies on the Right that have made an honest discussion of the issue virtually impossible, and blame the Left.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:50 AM   #689
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I get it...ignore the lies on the Right that have made an honest discussion of the issue virtually impossible, and blame the Left.
No, ignore the lies of the Left and the Right and pick apart the Bill the Dems have tried to rush through Congress.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:51 AM   #690
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This is a bit long but a really great read about the state of healthcare today. As the cover states, "What Washington doesn't get about Healthcare".

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care
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