What to believe - Page 4

squirell nutkin · 03-10-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

I like it. Added to my quotes file.

The whole Bhagavad Gita?

squirell nutkin · 03-10-2010, 10:25 AM

That is a very interesting distinction between action and result. I have to ponder that.

Pie · 03-10-2010, 11:25 AM

Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

Plan carefully, making your decision based on all available data, work hard to support that, but once the decision is made -- it's out of your hands and the outcome is no longer your responsibility. Only your work in getting up to that point is yours to claim. Success or failure belongs to the universe, not to individuals.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-10-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

OK, I get it.

monster · 03-13-2010, 08:07 PM

As long as no-one is letting the chips go to waste, wherever they fall....

Pie · 03-13-2010, 11:59 PM

5-second rule still applies.

wanderer · 03-15-2010, 09:07 AM

It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2010, 07:24 PM

What's the difference between what you "experience", and what you "hear or see" ?

squirell nutkin · 03-16-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wanderer

It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

You understand my confusion. Following a reference to Buddhism with a general statement about "The east" might lead one to presume you were referring to Buddhism since it does have its roots in the east.

squirell nutkin · 03-15-2010, 11:28 PM

Buddhism teaches "anatman"

There is no soul, there is no self.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-16-2010, 12:02 AM

Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Riiiight.

wanderer · 03-16-2010, 12:48 AM

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Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see".

Experiencing may not definitely depend on what you hear or see. It might be beyond these physical senses. Intuitions, for example are completely independent from our other senses. When we try to meditate we try to zero on self. That can be an experience too and we use none of the physical senses then. Instead we try to shut them off.
"Popped" into your head can be an experience, yes. It all depends that how much you lived a thought, an idea or even a dream.

wanderer · 03-16-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin

Buddhism teaches "anatman"

There is no soul, there is no self.

Check again. I said that Buddism is based on fact of self realization (not soul).
The exact words are "East has always believed.........."

xoxoxoBruce · 03-16-2010, 05:58 AM

While you're tripping and shutting out physical input, try not to get run over by a bus, or eaten by a Bear, because that is reality, that is truth.

wanderer · 03-17-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

While you're tripping and shutting out physical input, try not to get run over by a bus, or eaten by a Bear, because that is reality, that is truth.

Well, thats not how I meditate. Sitting on road, or a jungle. I wonder that where you sleep. Marshmallows, or tropical forests I guess?

03-10-2010, 10:25 AM	#2
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	That is a very interesting distinction between action and result. I have to ponder that. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

03-10-2010, 11:25 AM	#3
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned. Plan carefully, making your decision based on all available data, work hard to support that, but once the decision is made -- it's out of your hands and the outcome is no longer your responsibility. Only your work in getting up to that point is yours to claim. Success or failure belongs to the universe, not to individuals. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-13-2010, 08:07 PM	#5
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	As long as no-one is letting the chips go to waste, wherever they fall.... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-13-2010, 11:59 PM	#6
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	5-second rule still applies. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-15-2010, 07:24 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What's the difference between what you "experience", and what you "hear or see" ? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-15-2010, 09:07 AM	#7
wanderer Master of the Domain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 225	It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

03-15-2010, 11:28 PM	#10
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	Buddhism teaches "anatman" There is no soul, there is no self. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

03-16-2010, 12:02 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Riiiight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-16-2010, 12:48 AM	#12
wanderer Master of the Domain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 225	Code: Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Experiencing may not definitely depend on what you hear or see. It might be beyond these physical senses. Intuitions, for example are completely independent from our other senses. When we try to meditate we try to zero on self. That can be an experience too and we use none of the physical senses then. Instead we try to shut them off. "Popped" into your head can be an experience, yes. It all depends that how much you lived a thought, an idea or even a dream.

03-16-2010, 05:58 AM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	While you're tripping and shutting out physical input, try not to get run over by a bus, or eaten by a Bear, because that is reality, that is truth. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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