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Old 11-16-2011, 05:24 PM   #196
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:46 PM   #197
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In all seriousness, Newt is another waste of time - fodder for the papers.
Does anyone really think he will get the nod?
Well, maybe not the "nod".
I'm expecting the GOP to winnow down to two: Romney and not-Romney,
and Newt has may seem more electable to moderates... until the run-off.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:01 PM   #198
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The republicans have a problem. Anyone who is moderate enough to win the general election is not conservative enough to win the primary.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:23 AM   #199
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If someone changes their name to Nott Romney, they could probably get the nomination.
Now that is funny, right thar!
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:29 AM   #200
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The republicans have a problem. Anyone who is moderate enough to win the general election is not conservative enough to win the primary.
This is Romney's curse and his blessing.

He is deliberately (or perhaps genuinely and honestly) keeping the distance between his primary posture and his general posture as short as possible. This will make him MORE electable in the general election. Electable enough to defeat Obama? I don't think so, but there's a LOT of campaigning ahead of us
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:26 AM   #201
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Regardless of the pundits' expectations about Gingrich getting the GOP nomination,
why does his personal life have such a bad reputation ?

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Gingrich has been married three times.
In 1962 he married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, he was 19 and she was 26,
In the spring of 1980, Gingrich left Battley after having an affair with Marianne Ginther.

Six months after the divorce from Battley was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther in 1981

In the mid-1990s, Gingrich began an affair with congressional staffer Callista Bisek, who is 23 years his junior.
In 2000, Gingrich married Bisek shortly after his divorce from second wife Ginther.

In 1984 his first wife, told the Washington Post that the divorce was a "complete surprise" to her.
According to Battley, in September 1980 Gingrich and their children visited her
while she was in the hospital, recovering from surgery, and Gingrich
wanted to discuss the terms of their divorce.
Gingrich has disputed that account.<snip>
Gingrich became a leader of the Republican investigation of President Clinton
for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his [Clinton's] affairs.
Gingrich regularly attacked President Bill Clinton for his immorality,
pointing to "a level of disrespect and decadence that should appall every American."

It was later revealed that, during this period, Gingrich himself was having sex with a congressional aide in her 20s.
Gingrich and Bisek had continued their affair thoughout the Lewinsky scandal,
This is one hypocrisy that has followed him since.

And besides all that:

Gingrich has an exquisite talent for speaking with words his audience needs/wants to hear,
even when he presents one of the most outrageous excuses for adultery in American politics.
It was his patriotism that made him do it.


CNN.com
In a 2011 interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network
Gingrich addressed his past infidelities by saying:
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There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country,
that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate.
And what I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong,
I wasn’t trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing them.

I found that I felt compelled to seek God’s forgiveness.
Not God’s understanding, but God’s forgiveness. I do believe in a forgiving God.
And I think most people, deep down in their hearts hope there’s a forgiving God.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:23 PM   #202
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It was all his mother's fault.


She turned him into a newt!
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:27 AM   #203
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NEWT GINGRICH, The Politician

Newt Gingrich has spent his lifetime in politics, at local, state, and federal levels.
He is mostly known for his time, during the Clinton years, as Speaker of the House from 1994-1998.

During that time, he was effective, working with Clinton and the Senate, to approve balanced budgets.
He has a reputation (that he promotes) as being smart, intellectual, and hot tempered.
He also has a reputation as being more moderate than other Republicans,
and willing to work with Democrats on some issues.

But he still has the reputation of being the:
"most unpopular man in American politics" for his Contract for America
"the only Speaker of the House to be disciplined for ethics violations"
"the most hypocritical politician" during Clinton's impeachment proceedings.

Some of his national platform issues have been:
*replacing EPA with an "Environmental Solutions Agency"
*reopening all off-shore oil-drilling
*ensuring there are no new taxes
*abolishing the capital gains tax
*reducing the corporate tax
*abolishing the so-called death tax.
*100% deduction for business equipment in one year
*option to purchase private insurance instead of Medicare.
*opposition to Supreme Court ban on school prayer

And besides all that:

Gingrich is very confident of this abilities
In an interview, he said
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He does not think he is smarter than the other presidential candidates,
only that he has spent more years— 53, he says—studying how to best lead the country.
"I don't know of anybody else who is around today who has spent
that much time," thinking about governing, he said.
"Bill and Hillary [Clinton] may be closest in the sheer length that they've thought about it."
And besides, besides all that:

Gingrich is currently challenged for his "consulting fees" from Freddy Mac and Fanny May.
He argues he was hired as a "historian" while others favor "lobbiest"
If it turns out to be the latter, Gingrich may have run afoul of federal laws on lobbying.

But Newt is very confident of his ability to change his image:

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At one point during his dalliance with the Democratic establishment,
Gingrich joked that “one can gradually rebuild almost any reputation
if you pander enough to the authorities that write columns and show up on TV.”
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:48 AM   #204
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He's still an asshole and his past, both public and private will not allow him to get the nomination.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:20 PM   #205
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He's still an asshole and his past, both public and private will not allow him to get the nomination.
Hopefully. Just remember who you're talking about.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:24 PM   #206
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Cain, Next, Bachmann, Santorum ... I know I'm forgetting someone here, but I basically feel the same about mostly all of them.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:34 PM   #207
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I was referring to the electorate who will be doing the nominating. You can't be sure they won't nominate Newt - if the primary had been held previously, Palin, Bachmann, Cain, and uhhhh... Perry would each have been nominated. And they all suck as badly as Newt.
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:35 PM   #208
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Frightening actually.
A poll showing Cain leading tells more about those being polled than it does about his abilities to lead. Honestly, it shows what a sad state we are in. This should be about selecting the best leader for the country, and I am still amazed that he is even being considered, let alone in the lead. The pickens are pretty slim.

Do they even pull their head out long enough to see ho much better the alternative looks compared to their options?
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:45 PM   #209
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When you vote based on ideals, no.
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:16 PM   #210
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Regardless of the pundits' expectations about Gingrich getting the GOP nomination,
why does his personal life have such a bad reputation ?
If voters cared about a persons personal life they never would have elected Obama and would have run Willie Clinton out of town.
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