Marichiko smokes cigarettes
This should do nicely for all involved
organic, premium ones, at that. asshole
God, that thread title made the diet coke come flying out my nose! I'm still laughing...:lol:
What the HELL does that have to do with anything? :lol:
Oh--Just read the Pipe and Cigarette thread...oops!
I was wondering too, so I found the tobacco thread.
your welfare dollars hard at work, folks. those of you in Co. should be lovin it.
At the risk of alienating the Mari-Bashing Society, let me just say a few things.
One is that welfare and social security are competely different things.
Another is that it is interesting this attitude that people on govt assistance should be humble, eat beans and walk to the grocery store.
My thinking is that society deals out money to people in different ways: jobs, govt assistance, retirement plans, etc. If society deems it legitimate to deal money to someone, it's their business what they do with it. If someone on disability payments wants to buy cigarettes, it's none of my business.
How about if their disability is CO poisoning?
Heaven forbid someone on disability do something that they enjoy for themselves. I don't know her or why someone would find it so bad that she would buy smokes any more that she would buy a hamburger or spend money on a movie from time to time... I guess the world is full of busy-bodies.
Smoking is stupid, but so is singling out one person to berate over it.
i've got no issue with her smoking. she could spen it on crack for all i care. i have issue with her crying poor on here so often, and claiming to be damaged when she's clearly not. she's a lying fucking scammer, and a vacuum. you haven't noticed that she posts in every fucking thread about how every topic relates to her fascinating fucking life?
now she'll say that she gets them for free from someone, and we have nothing to be irked about. or that she makes a pack last 3 weeks.
you haven't noticed that she posts in every fucking thread about how every topic relates to her fascinating fucking life?
No.
... she's a lying fucking scammer, and a vacuum. ...
Says the Car Dealer Financing guy with peoples' "blood on my hands".
I am a fucking scammer too. Back in 2000, some anonymous people bought stock from me for $160/share and within a year it dropped to $1.65. 10,000 shares is a lot of money.
The trouble with Mari is that she's not stealing big enough like these legitimate white collar scams you and I have going on.
How about if their disability is CO poisoning?
That is a good point. It seems to me that there should be some contracting in place with some govt assistance. This would be similar to my past DARPA contracts.
With a govt grant, you spend as you please. With a research contract, you have certain milestones, reporting, and deliverables.
It seems that a case of CO poisioning should be handled similarly. There should be a set of rights and a corresponding set of responsiblities for a disability program. I can't really fault an individual for the shortcomings of a whole system.
(Aside, there were several years where the contracts that I managed were among the top 5 highest federal contracts by dollars in the city of Pittsburgh)
I can't really fault an individual for the shortcomings of a whole system.
Never mind the welfare issue, can you fault an individual who claims to have suffered slow CO poisoning and who then claims to smoke?
Never mind the welfare issue, can you fault an individual who claims to have suffered slow CO poisoning and who then claims to smoke?
That's what AA and the drug rehab centers support. What can I say?
As far as I know, the only folks to admit in Cellar posts to going thru AA &/| rehab are me, Bri, and Mari. Out-Patient is serious enough. I was a Residential Member, which means I lived at the rehab place for two weeks.
I was not among them. But, the smokers gathered together and did some serious smoking. That was the only vice allowed. And they did it with a vengence.
At some AA meetings, there was a group of cigar smokers I was friends with. I didn't smoke, but just hanging with these guys for 20 minutes and I caught a second-hand buzz OUTSIDE. Now, I'm a really MJ stoner. So, I know a buzz when I see one.
Recovery programs are OK with smokers, they even Enable Tabacco.
That's not the point. The point is that if one barely survives CO poisoning, knowing how CO binds to your hemoglobins and prevents them from carry oxygen to your brain, continuing to smoke afterwards and thus carry on the slow damage would indicate a previously undocumented level of dumbassedness.
That's not the point. The point is that if one barely survives CO poisoning, knowing how CO binds to your hemoglobins and prevents them from carry oxygen to your brain, continuing to smoke afterwards and thus carry on the slow damage would indicate a previously undocumented level of dumbassedness.
You may be intellectually right. I just don't know, and i presume correctness.
But, the point is that real people go thru real rehab. And the rehab centers ENABLE TOBACCO. I think it is wrong. But, That is what is really happening on the ground floor, on the streets, whatever. That is my experience. I don't smoke tobacco.
I was mad that my MJ was banned and their tobacoo was OK.
It is soooo not surprising that a CO dependent would a smoker. Shit, after enough AA meetings I would have become a tabacoo smoker too for the first time in my life at 50 yo old.
That's not the point. The point is that if one barely survives CO poisoning, knowing how CO binds to your hemoglobins and prevents them from carry oxygen to your brain, continuing to smoke afterwards and thus carry on the slow damage would indicate a previously undocumented level of dumbassedness.
she probably forgot about that
There's no such thing as CO dependency. Carbon monoxide is merely a poison. Your body would prefer to have none of it. There's no rehab issue here, get this rehab issue out of it.
There's no such thing as CO dependency. Carbon monoxide is merely a poison. Your body would prefer to have none of it. There's no rehab issue here, get this rehab issue out of it.
Again, I have to admit to ignorance.
What I am saying is that people with CO dependency to thru these Rehab programs that Enable Tobacco. And that is wrong. Are you at all with me?
Self Appointed, Court Order, or whatever. The system ENABLES tobacco. It is fucking wrong, but that is what people really go thru. People go thru IRL programs. And that is what programs do.
Please ask more questions if you are at all confused about In-Real-Life programs.
LOL! How funny! Yup, cigarettes contain CO. I'm not dependent on CO, however. I like a little nicotine high now and then. I smoke a couple of packs a week for a total of $8.00/week. Yes, beleive or not, American Spirits are only $4.00/pack - OK, $4.10/pack here in Colorado.
I find it amusing that two heavy dopers want to jump my case about my two pack a week cigarette habit. Pot kills more brain cells than ever cigarettes do, and it does a worse number on the lungs, as well.
You boys need to get a life! :lol:
[QUOTE=marichiko]... Pot kills more brain cells than ever cigarettes do, ... /QUOTE]
OK, Mari, now I pull my guns from my holsters... I go with the Herd Mentality here. Any weak brain cells that die, make the herd stronger. Ra!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL! My comments weren't directed at you, rather LJ and UT who are pretty well known to be heavy smokers of non tobacco products. I actually have no problem with people who like to relax every now and then with a little MJ. A number of my friends are into it. I just think its funny that two heavy pot smokers should jump my case about cigarette smoking when pot is just as damaging. Yeah, let only the strongest brain cells survive! ;)
Yeah come on now.. who would you rather hang out with??
steve freaking mcqueen?
or the pot smoking hippie who you'll probably catch something nasty from.
I think shaving my beard gave me a more professonal look for jobs, even in the Silicon Valley.
Whooo he has such pretty guitars...
Today's Emos strung out on meth are skinny and deathly looking. Us old Pot Heads have a belly from 'the munchies'. At least we don't waste away. Keep on truckin'.
& meth-mouth is just wrong!
& meth-mouth is just wrong!
My 16 yo daughter is on alert for meth guys. She's been friends with some losers in the past. All these guys triy to brown-nose the sexy girl's dad. I can sniff out the false guys right away now.
Her current 17 yo bf is actually quite the gentleman. But, I'm still scared about the fact that he just got his drivers license and a car. They were dating via train before that. He still can't drive minors yet. So, he drives to our house and they walk around town together.
Double edge sword. The longer they date, I fear, the more he will want. It was somewhat better when she changed bfs often.
I hear ya'... my son is two. When he is old enough to date I will have a tracking bracelet with gps on it!
17 and your worried about him wanting more??? Pfft that happened when she was 14 honey!!
What I am saying is that people with CO dependency to thru these Rehab programs that Enable Tobacco. And that is wrong. Are you at all with me?
Well no, partly because that first sentence needs to be put out of its misery.
But um what's all this on the other thread? Your defense here is gender- rather than logic-based huh? Girls stick up for each other! And they are all victims! Victimhood is what it's all about, because girls are weak and rather defenseless, as we know, and mean men attack them and that's just wrong by default.
We're all in rehab now, and everything is about rehab. Play that victim card hard, even when it's about someone not in rehab! Everything is about recovery, even if you are making yourself sicker and need more rehab by doing it.
BTW Mar, weed does not kill brain cells at all. It temporarily overwhelms anandamide receptors by mimicking a chemical in the neocortex. I urge anyone who takes a drug, recreational, pharmaceutical or whatever, to fully understand how it works before taking it.
BTW Mar, weed does not kill brain cells at all. It temporarily overwhelms anandamide receptors by mimicking a chemical in the neocortex. I urge anyone who takes a drug, recreational, pharmaceutical or whatever, to fully understand how it works before taking it.
You saved me the trouble. Besides, folks who smoke pot tend to smoke somewhat less than 40 joints per week..
Long-Term Effects of Marijuana Use
Respiratory System Damage
Daily cough.
Chronic bronchitis.
More frequent chest colds.
Injured lung structures.
Pneumonia.
Increased risk of lung or oral cancer – Marijuana deposits in the lungs roughly five times as much tar as tobacco and contains nearly 50% more of the cancer-causing chemical benzopyrene than the average tobacco cigarette.
Immune System Damage
Causes damage to the cells and tissues that protect the body from disease.
Users are more likely to become ill.
Reproductive System Damage
Decreased sperm count.
Abnormal sperm cells.
Decreased production of estrogen.
Menstrual or ovulatory irregularities.
Danger During Pregnancy
May affect good functioning of the mother’s immune system.
Increased miscarriage rate.
Possible brain damage in the fetus.
Lower birth weight, which is associated with more health problems.
THC can be passed to a baby in breast milk, which can impair the infant's motor development (control of muscle movement).
Emotional Damage
Amotivational syndrome is the most common side effect of long-term marijuana use. Marijuana users:
Lose interest in setting and achieving goals.
Stop caring about things that used to be important to them.
Neglect school, work, chores, personal health, and their relationships.
It can take up to 2 years of abstinence to regain a normal motivation level.
More delinquent behavior and aggression
Intellectual Damage
Permanent damage to thinking and reasoning ability.
Difficulty sustaining attention.
Psychological Addiction
Increasing tolerance -- Users need increasing amounts of marijuana to feel its effects.
Many users develop compulsive drug craving and drug seeking.
Abusers continue to use marijuana despite negative consequences in their lives.
Like I suggested, I fully understand. Now post about the effects of CO on hemoglobins.
detrimental effects of straw man arguments:
[LIST]
[*]people think you're a dick
[*]you lose the argument by forfiet
[*]people stop reading your posts beacuse they're BS
[*]you admit that you have no real argument
[*]you make me tired[/LIST]
[Marichiko quotes people who lie and cheat]
You know, if you could find a job digging up huge, steaming piles of colossally fictitious internet bullshit to support whatever erroneous self-serving position you take on an issue, you'd have Bill Gates washing your car while Warren Buffet cuts your grass.
I mean, I might sling the occasional bovine turd now and then but you move sub-human excrement on a scale that makes even the seven wonders of the ancient world seem pithy by comparison.
I'm fine with playing holier than thou when posting about someone's else's use of a legal substance, but I start slinging shit if the safety of my own illegal drug of choice is called into question
My, my you boys shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it. Any drug a person smokes or ingests has possible side effects and health consequences. This includes pot, tobacco, crack, alcohol, etc., etc.
Calling me a liar because I point out the possible consequences of your fav drug of choice doesn't make those effects go away. It hardly makes your OWN argument more credible, either. Most people who smoke tobacco don't die of lung cancer. Some people die of lung cancer who never smoked in their lives. Most people who smoke pot recreationally run into no problems. Some do. We all choose our risks. And he who is without sin is welcome to cast the first stone.
From famed shit purveyers, the New Scientist and that respected journal of scatology, Neurology:
Long-term users of marijuana gradually become worse at learning and remembering things, a new study suggests.
“It definitely fogs your brain,” says Lambros Messinis, who led the study at the University Hospital of Patras in Greece.
Messinis and colleagues tested the mental abilities of 20 long-term users who had taken marijuana heavily – smoking at least four joints a week – for an average of 15 years. Their brains were rustier than those of 20 short-term users – who had averaged seven years of use – and 24 controls who had used the drug sporadically or not at all.
Long-term users performed worse in tests to measure memory, learning ability and the capacity to recall information. Asked to recall lists of 15 words that they had seen earlier, for example, the long-term users averaged seven, compared with nine recalled by short-term users and 12 by controls.
“Long-term users found it very difficult to learn through new information given verbally,” says Messinis. “It’s not to do with lack of attention but more the encoding process of memory.” Separate tests to probe attention span found that long-term users were able to pick up information immediately, without trouble.
Initial ability
Although the study is retrospective – that is, the subjects were not tested on their cognitive abilities before they took up marijuana – the researchers are confident that the long-term users’ abilities were not significantly different from the other groups from the beginning. They used a standard test to estimate the long-term users’ original intellectual abilities.
Messinis gave subjects the tests at least 24 hours after they had last taken the drug, to make sure they were not still under the influence. “It wasn’t while they were high,” he says.
“Importantly, we don’t know if it’s reversible,” he says. To find out, he and his colleague plan to re-test the same subjects after abstinence periods of at least a month.
Nadia Solowij, at the University of Wollongong in Australia, says the new findings back previous work by her and colleagues, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2002.
“The authors appear to have used the same rigorous criteria for inclusion in their study and confirm that the duration of cannabis use progressively impacts upon cognitive functions,” she told New Scientist.
Journal reference: Neurology (vol 66, p 737)
Which of our posters has a foggy brain and poor memory is left as an exercise for the reader.
From the producers of shit at the National Traffic Safety Institute:
Effects: Pharmacological effects of marijuana vary with dose, route of administration, experience of user, vulnerability to psychoactive effects, and setting of use.
Psychological: At recreational doses, effects include relaxation, euphoria, relaxed inhibitions, sense of well-being, disorientation, altered time and space perception, lack of concentration, impaired learning and memory, alterations in thought formation and expression, drowsiness, sedation, mood changes such as panic reactions and paranoia, and a more vivid sense of taste, sight, smell, and hearing. Stronger doses intensify reactions and may cause fluctuating emotions, flights of fragmentary thoughts with disturbed associations, a dulling of attention despite an illusion of heightened insight, image distortion, and psychosis.
Physiological: The most frequent effects include increased heart rate, reddening of the eyes, dry mouth and throat, increased appetite, and vasodilatation.
Side Effect Profile: Fatigue, paranoia, possible psychosis, memory problems, depersonalization, mood alterations, urinary retention, constipation, decreased motor coordination, lethargy, slurred speech, and dizziness. Impaired health including lung damage, behavioral changes, and reproductive, cardiovascular and immunological effects have been associated with regular marijuana use. Regular and chronic marijuana smokers may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have (daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis), as the amount of tar inhaled and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed by marijuana smokers is 3 to 5 times greater than among tobacco smokers. Smoking marijuana while shooting up cocaine has the potential to cause severe increases in heart rate and blood pressure.
Duration of Effects: Effects from smoking cannabis products are felt within minutes and reach their peak in 10-30 minutes. Typical marijuana smokers experience a high that lasts approximately 2 hours. Most behavioral and physiological effects return to baseline levels within 3-5 hours after drug use, although some investigators have demonstrated residual effects in specific behaviors up to 24 hours, such as complex divided attention tasks. Psychomotor impairment can persist after the perceived high has dissipated. In long term users, even after periods of abstinence, selective attention (ability to filter out irrelevant information) has been shown to be adversely affected with increasing duration of use, and speed of information processing has been shown to be impaired with increasing frequency of use. Dronabinol has an onset of 30-60 minutes, peak effects occur at 2-4 hours, and it can stimulate the appetite for up to 24 hours.
Tolerance, Dependence and Withdrawal Effect: Tolerance may develop to some pharmacological effects of dronabinol. Tolerance to many of the effects of marijuana may develop rapidly after only a few doses, but also disappears rapidly. Marijuana is addicting as it causes compulsive drug craving, seeking, and use, even in the face of negative health and social consequences. Additionally, animal studies suggests marijuana causes physical dependence. A withdrawal syndrome is commonly seen in chronic marijuana users following abrupt discontinuation. Symptoms include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, hyperactivity, insomnia, nausea, cramping, decreased appetite, sweating, and increased dreaming...
Performance Effects: The short term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, difficultly in thinking and problem-solving, and loss of coordination. Heavy users may have increased difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing and using information. In general, laboratory performance studies indicate that sensory functions are not highly impaired, but perceptual functions are significantly affected. The ability to concentrate and maintain attention are decreased during marijuana use, and impairment of hand-eye coordination is dose-related over a wide range of dosages.Impairment in retention time and tracking, subjective sleepiness, distortion of time and distance, vigilance, and loss of coordination in divided attention tasks have been reported. Note however, that subjects can often “pull themselves together” to concentrate on simple tasks for brief periods of time. Significant performance impairments are usually observed for at least 1-2 hours following marijuana use, and residual effects have been reported up to 24 hours.
Effects on Driving: Epidemiology data from road traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations. Marijuana has been shown to impair performance on driving simulator tasks and on open and closed driving courses for up to approximately 3 hours. Decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, impaired time and distance estimation, inability to maintain headway, lateral travel, subjective sleepiness, motor incoordination, and impaired sustained vigilance have all been reported. Some drivers may actually be able to improve performance for brief periods by overcompensating for self-perceived impairment. The greater the demands placed on the driver, however, the more critical the likely impairment. Marijuana may particularly impair monotonous and prolonged driving. Decision times to evaluate situations and determine appropriate responses increase. Mixing alcohol and marijuana may dramatically produce effects greater than either drug on its own.
Which of our posters has a foggy brain and poor memory is left as an exercise for the reader.
Yes.
Now, if you
gentlemen will excuse me, I'm going to go smoke an organic, premium tobacco cigarette and pack some boxes. Its been a pleasure, really.
Yes.
Now, if you gentlemen will excuse me, I'm going to go smoke an organic, premium tobacco cigarette and pack some boxes. Its been a pleasure, really.
You're welcome.
See, yanno, our TAX dollars bought that organic, premium tobacco cigarette.
Which, as I see it, is the actual reason people are annoyed. I know it simply cheeses my goat. I bust my ass and earn what I have, and frankly...if you ask me, if you can spend THIS much time here, you're more than capable of earning a respectable living. But well, I won't 'stress you out ' over that.
So here's my solution to your tax dollar (well, actually, they're my tax dollars) wasting nasty habit: Why don't I just send you the money directly, we can bypass the government you love to slam but can't live without, and you can light it, and there's no nasty second hand smoke to deal with?
Sounds like a plan to me.
And before you go saying that I have no room to talk because I don't live in Colorado, ALL state welfare programs have federal funding contributed to them.
And last I checked, Uncle Sam took a hefty chunk of my paycheck.
Sweetheart, your tax dollars don't pay for my cigarettes. I've been on SSDI NOT welfare. SSDI is for former disabled workers. I worked for over 30 years and paid the same hefty taxes you do. In addition, I am moving off SSDI thanks to help from Voc Rehab and the Ticket to Work Program. I am now working and earning money, doing some small writing gigs on the net. I notice any number of people who apparently have office jobs who post here as much or even more than I do.
Why don't I send you some money out of my next paycheck, to shut your yap? How's that?
UT, I'm sorry I pushed some of your buttons; I didn't intend that.
But um what's all this on the other thread? Your defense here is gender- rather than logic-based huh? Girls stick up for each other! And they are all victims! Victimhood is what it's all about, because girls are weak and rather defenseless, as we know, and mean men attack them and that's just wrong by default.
I've never been labeled as a feminazi before; that's a new one. I think you are right in that I have been trying to develop friendships with women both here and locally (ie, IRL). But, I don't think my arguments are gender-based, just my motivation.
Well no, partly because that first sentence needs to be put out of its misery.
No, that is just not right. "What I am saying is that people with CO dependency go thru these Rehab programs that Enable Tobacco." That is my direct experience after going thru a rehab program myself. You want to suppress my real life experience?
We're all in rehab now, and everything is about rehab. Play that victim card hard, even when it's about someone not in rehab! Everything is about recovery, even if you are making yourself sicker and need more rehab by doing it.
No. I was critizing many Rehab
Programs. No, recovery is about mutual accountability. Folks in AA/NA are always asking each other how much time they have (of being clean & sober).
I didn't say anything about Mari's particular situation. Rather, I made statements about the general situation, govt assistance and rehab programs.
Which of our posters has a foggy brain and poor memory is left as an exercise for the reader.
All of our posters has a foggy brain and poor memory.
You're welcome.
See, yanno, our TAX dollars bought that organic, premium tobacco cigarette.
Which, as I see it, is the actual reason people are annoyed. I know it simply cheeses my goat. I bust my ass and earn what I have, and frankly...if you ask me, if you can spend THIS much time here, you're more than capable of earning a respectable living. But well, I won't 'stress you out ' over that.
So here's my solution to your tax dollar (well, actually, they're my tax dollars) wasting nasty habit: Why don't I just send you the money directly, we can bypass the government you love to slam but can't live without, and you can light it, and there's no nasty second hand smoke to deal with?
Sounds like a plan to me.
And before you go saying that I have no room to talk because I don't live in Colorado, ALL state welfare programs have federal funding contributed to them.
And last I checked, Uncle Sam took a hefty chunk of my paycheck.
It is interesting this attitude that people on govt assistance should be humble, eat beans and walk to the grocery store.
My thinking is that society deals out money to people in different ways: jobs, govt assistance, retirement plans, etc. If society deems it legitimate to deal money to someone, it's their business what they do with it. If someone on disability payments wants to buy cigarettes, it's none of my business.
There's no such thing as CO dependency. Carbon monoxide is merely a poison. Your body would prefer to have none of it. There's no rehab issue here, get this rehab issue out of it.
I'm sorry, I thought you meant cocaine poisioning. So, the Rehab Program issue may not apply in this individual case. I have a foggy brain and poor memory.
It is interesting this attitude that people on govt assistance should be humble, eat beans and walk to the grocery store.
My thinking is that society deals out money to people in different ways: jobs, govt assistance, retirement plans, etc. If society deems it legitimate to deal money to someone, it's their business what they do with it. If someone on disability payments wants to buy cigarettes, it's none of my business.
It becomes our business when said person constantly bitches about not having enough money - but yet has enough money to light on fire and inhale. But that's just my opinion.
I don't recall ever saying that anyone should 'be humble, eat beans, and walk to the grocery store'.
A little wasabi would help make the words you're putting in my mouth taste a little better.
Just sayin`.
Briefly back to the pot issue:
... cannabinoids are, in fact, neuroprotective, particularly against alcohol-induced brain damage...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p10.htmSweetheart, your tax dollars don't pay for my cigarettes. I've been on SSDI NOT welfare. SSDI is for former disabled workers. I worked for over 30 years and paid the same hefty taxes you do. In addition, I am moving off SSDI thanks to help from Voc Rehab and the Ticket to Work Program. I am now working and earning money, doing some small writing gigs on the net. I notice any number of people who apparently have office jobs who post here as much or even more than I do.
Why don't I send you some money out of my next paycheck, to shut your yap? How's that?
1. Ain't your sweetheart. So please, don't waste your breath.
2. Vacation Time. I don't post while I'm working - I tend to be BUSY while at the office.
3. Boy you get awfully defensive.
3. Boy you get awfully defensive.
What the hell do you expect when you flame someone? Especially with the misinformation that was purposely used by others. When LJ said she was on welfare, it wasn't sloppy, but vengeful.
I'm going to let you folks just carry on without me. I don't have the time for this petty bull shit. Small people are always frantically searching for someone to look down on. LJ's crap doesn't surprise me in the least. He's been a shit stirrer as long as I've been on this board. I'm disappointed in UT, though. I always respected UT despite our differences. Dagney, you don't even know what you're talking about. I suggest you stop putting your foot in your mouth. Even wasabi won't help the flavor of that. And speaking of
defensive....
Now, I really am going to go pack.
What the hell do you expect when you flame someone? Especially with the misinformation that was purposely used by others. When LJ said she was on welfare, it wasn't sloppy, but vengeful.
No, it wasn't vengeful, but ignorant. LJ doesn't know the difference between all the different public assistance programs.
Multichiko is a professional victim (shame it doesn't pay more, but then, that's a bit of a paradox isn't it...) who gets a paycheck from the state - does it really matter which agency? Paying into a program doesn't make it ok to scam money out of it later on down the line. She can remember enough bullshit to fill thread after thread here, but can't remember how to get a job, poor thing. It's all pretty darn convenient...
I'm going to let you folks just carry on without me. I don't have the time for this petty bull shit. Small people are always frantically searching for someone to look down on. LJ's crap doesn't surprise me in the least. He's been a shit stirrer as long as I've been on this board. I'm disappointed in UT, though. I always respected UT despite our differences. Dagney, you don't even know what you're talking about. I suggest you stop putting your foot in your mouth. Even wasabi won't help the flavor of that. And speaking of defensive....
Now, I really am going to go pack.
Ohhh you have to go back 2 years to find evidence of my being defensive? About something you really have no idea about?
This is supposed to impress me?
Psst. It doesn't.
No, it wasn't vengeful, but ignorant. LJ doesn't know the difference between all the different public assistance programs.
Multichiko is a professional victim (shame it doesn't pay more, but then, that's a bit of a paradox isn't it...) who gets a paycheck from the state - does it really matter which agency? Paying into a program doesn't make it ok to scam money out of it later on down the line. She can remember enough bullshit to fill thread after thread here, but can't remember how to get a job, poor thing. It's all pretty darn convenient...
:notworthy
Thank you.
No, it wasn't vengeful, but ignorant. LJ doesn't know the difference between all the different public assistance programs.
Multichiko is a professional victim (shame it doesn't pay more, but then, that's a bit of a paradox isn't it...) who gets a paycheck from the state - does it really matter which agency? Paying into a program doesn't make it ok to scam money out of it later on down the line. She can remember enough bullshit to fill thread after thread here, but can't remember how to get a job, poor thing. It's all pretty darn convenient...
You make these judgements on partial information half of which is wrong.
People with nuerological damage or other conditions can function perfectly well in some areas and totally poor in others. For example, someone with Non-Verbal Learning disorder can write words very well but can get spatially disoriented, slow to process pictures, and can mix up faces of people.
So, perhaps (speculating) Mari can only get an at-home writing job at this point. Who knows? We didn't review her doctor's recommendations.
Actually, it seems kind of sick to bash someone who almost died of carbon monoxide poisioning from a faulty home furnace.
Anyone that doesn't have a CO detector at home should invest in one.
I think bashing someone is childish. This is the kind of crap that went on at AG. but I guarantee you one thing....the owner NEVER participated let alone start such nonsense.
Live and let fucking live for fuck sake!
Dag, thanks. Pretty rude of Mari to dig up what was obviously a very difficult time in your life to make a very weak point/slam. Where's the compassion??? :rolleyes:
RS - you accept what Mari tells you as the truth, I do not. Thus, the difference in our opinions. Maybe if you read more than a thread or 2 here and there (as you told the AG'ers several times) you'd have a different opinion - maybe not, doesn't matter to me either way.
CO detectors do not replace the need to have your fuel-burning appliances serviced, by professionals, especially when you know they are faulty. And Mari claims she had one... but thanks for the PSA.
rude of mari????
she is the one being slagged of here. if people want to slag her off they best expect to have it turned around on them. I sure as hell would not sit still and have folks shit on me without throwing a log or two back.
gawd. grow the fuck up people! until you walk in anothers shoes, keep the rocks under hatch in that glass house in which most live.
Dag, thanks. Pretty rude of Mari to dig up what was obviously a very difficult time in your life to make a very weak point/slam. Where's the compassion??? :rolleyes:.
I didn't consider it rude.
I considered the source.
And then I painted my toenails. Really, it bugs me THAT much. Besides, if she actually READ that thread, (which I did, because I didn't remember exactly what it was that I had a beef with LJ about at the time), one would notice that it disintegrated into a diatribe on PMS.
So, whatever point she was attempting to make, was very very lost.
I still just don't see why it is an issue that she treats herself to the occasional nice smoke?
I still just don't see why it is an issue that she treats herself to the occasional nice smoke?
It is a school yard bully mentality. Seems all forums have them.
I'm going to let you folks just carry on without me. I don't have the time for this petty bull shit. Small people are always frantically searching for someone to look down on. LJ's crap doesn't surprise me in the least. He's been a shit stirrer as long as I've been on this board. I'm disappointed in UT, though. I always respected UT despite our differences. Dagney, you don't even know what you're talking about. I suggest you stop putting your foot in your mouth. Even wasabi won't help the flavor of that. And speaking of defensive....
Now, I really am going to go pack.
You've stated that you sometimes enjoy "looking down" on me here. Or some near equivalent.
It is a school yard bully mentality. Seems all forums have them.
Oh... ok, makes sense. Thanks fromt the n00b.
It is a school yard bully mentality. Seems all forums have them.
Actually, it's more like several years of history of which you are unaware.
I hope so, because I am disabled & have a few things I treat myself to from time-to-time.
I have no intention of behaving like Oliver Twist to please someone's twisted sense of social propriety.
Actually, it's more like several years of history of which you are unaware.
oh, i see, carry on then. it is ok to badmouth those you have known for a long time then.
*shakes head at the lot of ya*
I'm getting tired of writing PM's to my friends here, so for once and for all:
I had a CO detector that was faulty. It appeared to work, but didn't. I lived in a duplex that was owned by my mother at the time. Her former husband serviced the heater and other appliances in the duplex. This man did not know what he was doing, obviously, but both my mother and I trusted him. Stupid us. I suppose Jinx would refuse to trust LJ if he told her something was OK. My mother and I aren't as smart as Jinx.
I gradually got more and more ill and neither my doctors nor I could understand it. When the problem was finally discovered, I was told that I should have died. I didn't die, but I was pretty sick and unable to work.
Far from taking advantage of the system, I refused to ask for help from it. I had been a high functioning professional who had always stood on my own two feet. It was only after I had gone through all my savings and was getting fired from even the most menial jobs that I reluctantly went down and signed the paper work to apply for SSDI. This stubborness of mine hurt me, since SSDI is computed by your most recent work earnings. Had I cried, "Hallejula! I'll never have to work again!" and run down to social security the moment I was informed about the CO poisoning, I'd be much better off today. Instead, I made my second stupid move. I thought that I would get better right away and continued to try to work - I took any job I could find - dishwashing, janitorial, garden worker - you name it. I was fired from every one because I was too slow and couldn't remember directions.
The disability advocate who helped me told me that I shouldn't write letters on my own behalf to social security. He said I sounded "too intelligent to have neurological damage." He also told me that I should go into my hearing and "pretend to be brain damaged." I said to him, "I have neurological difficulties, what's to pretend?" and I fired him from my case. I went in alone before a Federal judge. He had my letters written as well as I have written anything on this board - probably better. He asked me questions for two hours. It was exhausting, but I answered honestly. Three months later I was finally awarded full disability.
My doctors tell me that my long tern memory is relatively intact. My verbal skills were largely spared, and I scored in the upper 1% of many of their tests.
The worst damage and the damage which I am told is probably permanent is to my spatial memory and skills. On some of those tests I scored in the LOWEST 1%.
Frankly, it is pretty scarey to have such a damaged spatial memory. i can remember places from before the CO poisoning, but learning new places is very difficult for me. I can drive just fine because I am OK in the moment. I know there's a car behind me or a stoplight up ahead. But my short term memory of these things does not get put into my long term memory. The same with people's faces and numbers. I live in a world full of strangers who know me, but I don't know them. That is very frightening.
UT asked me to discuss the impact of carbon monoxide on the blood system. Carbon monoxide binds preferentially with the O2 receptors in the haemoglobin molecule. It actually displaces the 02 molecules in the bloodstream. This is minor in the case of a few cigarettes aday, but become a major problem is you are consistently breathing air that is 2 or 3% CO or 140 -200 ppm as I was. The organs of the body that require the greatest amount of O2 become the most severely impacted - the heart and the brain. I have sustained damage to my heart which shows up as congestive heart failure. When it comes to the brain, those parts that are at the end of the blood supply suffer the greatest damage since the other parts have already snapped up the precious O2 molecules.
The part of the brain responsible for taking short term memory and making it into long term is at the end of the blood supply. So is something called the amalygia and the hipocamus - responsible for spatial memory and the control of emotions like fear.
I can discuss stuff like this because its long term memory - I studied biology in college and have two degrees in it. I mis-spell words because words are shapes - or letters are, anyhow. I stare at a familiar word and go blank. I can't remember how it looks.
People like LJ, Jinx, Beestie, UT, and Dagney have:
a) No grounding in medicine or biology
b) can't think outside the box
c) indulge in black and white thinking - either a person is a moron or they're just fine
d) have some vested interest in being "Better" than others
e) lack imagination and/or empathy
You people don't get to have my medical records. You don't get to have the 14 page decision in my favor made by a Federal Judge. This is just the Internet. I'm tired of the flak I get on this site. I've given this much of an explanation because of the friends I DO have here who have been supportive of me. I don't expect to change Jinx's or LJ's mind anymore than Martin Luther King could have hoped to change the mind of a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the South during Reconstruction. Their closed minds are THEIR loss. I'd rather have my damaged neurons. At least I remain open to new ideas.
OH, yeah. UT should have known at the time that the posts from me and Flippant/Atropos came from two ISP's. I don't know if UT can read folks PM's, but if he can, he'd see there was a lively correspondence between me and Flippant/Atropos. I've posted screen shots of my PM's in the past which the LJ/UT/Wolf crowd choose to ignore.
I feel sorry for the people Wolf works with. She has a degree in Geography and precious little insight into psychology or the workings of the brain beyond the most rudimentary. Being mean spirited and willfully ignorant doesn't make you better. It just makes nasty and stupid.
I hope so, because I am disabled & have a few things I treat myself to from time-to-time.
I have no intention of behaving like Oliver Twist to please someone's twisted sense of social propriety.
Good.
We tried to have a policy debate and it was intertwined with the personal anomosities. I think we've spent this thread.
oh, i see, carry on then. it is ok to badmouth those you have known for a long time then.
*shakes head at the lot of ya*
::::falls in love and starts stalking cheyenne::::
* giggles*
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what the hell does it matter what another does with their life? Leave mari alone....
geez...too much time on wankers hands.
::::falls in love and starts stalking cheyenne::::
* giggles*
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what the hell does it matter what another does with their life? Leave mari alone....
geez...too much time on wankers hands.
:shares binoculars & brings snacks:
I miss smoking sometimes, but I don't regret quitting...2 years ago this coming Tuesday.
I miss smoking sometimes, but I don't regret quitting...2 years ago this coming Tuesday.
Smoking is the ONE thing that I did NOT become addicted to. I don't smoke--well, a few 'social' cigs--like maybe one every six months. It's really, really bad for your skin.
This is all fucking ridiculous.
I'm not gonna knock smokers...there's nothing worse than a reformed smoker. It's a terrible habit, and I know how hard it is to quit. But for the past couple of months, I've been giving a coworker a ride home occasionally. She smokes, but not in my car. And she reeks of cigarettes. And the smell almost makes me sick. It's also terrible for your olfactory senses, too. :)
... It's really, really bad for your skin.
Never heard that one before. Sounds like the least of a smoker's problems.
... And she reeks of cigarettes. And the smell almost makes me sick. It's also terrible for your olfactory senses, too. :)
I now notice when co-workers return from a smoke break. They should make smokers sit in a breathing room for 15 minutes before returning to the job.
Hmmm..
I can't speak for the others, but I WILL speak for myself.....
People like LJ, Jinx, Beestie, UT, and Dagney have:
a) No grounding in medicine or biology
I have a degree in Biochemistry with an emphasis in psychological drug research. I will be more than happy to provide proof of my education if you require it.
b) can't think outside the box
I think outside the box for a living. I design and manage the building of software systems. That involves a lot of out of the box thinking.
c) indulge in black and white thinking - either a person is a moron or they're just fine
Yep, people are either morons, or they're not. I'll let you figure that one out.
d) have some vested interest in being "Better" than others
I don't think I'm better than other people....somethings, you just inherently KNOW.
e) lack imagination and/or empathy
I am more imaginative or empathic than you will ever know or understand. I just have a very low tolerance for bovine excrement, stupidity, or arrogance.
I'm not gonna knock smokers...there's nothing worse than a reformed smoker. It's a terrible habit, and I know how hard it is to quit. But for the past couple of months, I've been giving a coworker a ride home occasionally. She smokes, but not in my car. And she reeks of cigarettes. And the smell almost makes me sick. It's also terrible for your olfactory senses, too. :)
I smoke pipes and cigars... I have to agree with you... I hate the smell of cigarettes. Plus, I worked at a distillery that added nicotine to alcohol for major cig companies among other things... I know what goes into those things. They are deadly.
It is not the same as smoking natural tobacco as a hobby and/or as an occasional enjoyment thing.
I'm never going to be sorry about wasting bandwidth again.:headshake
Says the Car Dealer Financing guy with peoples' "blood on my hands".
I am a fucking scammer too. Back in 2000, some anonymous people bought stock from me for $160/share and within a year it dropped to $1.65. 10,000 shares is a lot of money.
The trouble with Mari is that she's not stealing big enough like these legitimate white collar scams you and I have going on.
the 'blood on my hands' comment was made with humorous intent.
and don't you call me a scammer, ya cocksmoker. how is it that someone who works in my field is automatically a scammer?
I sell risk management products to willing customers that come into our place of business and make informed choices about what they opt to purchase. I fully and legally disclose the availability of several different optional warranties and insurances. I offer honest advice, and frequently discount these products in the interest of maintaining customer loyalty and enhanced ownership experience.
I don't lie, cheat or steal. I don't misrepresent, confuse or bedazzle. I'm not a con man or a sheister. i'm fucking honest and proud of it. always have been. you can eat my asshole with a spoon.
if you knew the stock you were selling was worthless, then shame on you. dont lump me in, though. i resent it.
and another thing!
i work 12 to 16 hours a day, and commute 2.5 hours on average on top of that. if i was a chronic dope smoker, i'd need 30 hour days.
... i resent it. ...
That is the point. You say a little thing, and some else assumes all kinds of knee-jerk stuff about it. And then you are there defending youself.
I believe you when you say you work honestly. And, I thought your "blood on my hands" comment was hysterical when I read it. I was trying to say that it's easy to bash any of us, including you and me. We all live in glass houses, especially when we don't have the whole story all neat and in one place.
bump. because I can. did you know this is one of the most replied-to threads in the health forum? well you do now. if you're still reading :)
:lol:
I miss all the unadulterated bashing. C'mon guys. What Happened? :)
This entire thread
Good times.
I miss all the unadulterated bashing. C'mon guys. What Happened? :)
Obama got elected. Shut up and hug. Prepare for an eight year love in. Invest in durex shares.
I smoke cigarettes, so there!!!
I used to smoke, but not any more. :)
This thread still cracks me up. Ah, the asshats that have come and gone.
...and those of us that have stuck around.
[COLOR=Silver]Hey, wait - what's an asshat?[/COLOR]
[COLOR=silver]Hey, wait - what's an asshat?[/COLOR]
I wish this hadn't been resurrected. I don't see this as one of the cellar's finer moments.
It was already resurrected. <shrugs>
ETA and I never figured out how to comment on a thread without replying to it.
I talk to my computer all the time...
What's so hard about it? :confused:
It was already resurrected. <shrugs>
ETA and I never figured out how to comment on a thread without replying to it.
you have to get your wife to join the community, and then you and she can talk behind people's back all the time like jinx and I do.
I talk to my computer all the time...
What's so hard about it? :confused:
:)
you have to get your wife to join the community, and then you and she can talk behind people's back all the time like jinx and I do.
You don't need your partner to be a part of the community to do that. lol
