An Indecent Proposal....

DucksNuts • Feb 15, 2007 7:33 pm
Weird stuff happens to me....


A successful married business man has propositioned me.

Ongoing arrangement, he travels abroad a lot (UK, US and Asia) wants a *fun* companion, all expenses paid.

:o

Of course, with the whole Army dude thing happening, I'm not doing anything to stuff that up....but seriously.

He's funny and attractive, even if he is 10 years older than me.

Would that be just a prostitute or well paid escort?
bluecuracao • Feb 15, 2007 8:15 pm
I think we need more information, such as, Would he pay you money directly? and Would he require sex?
DucksNuts • Feb 15, 2007 8:27 pm
*all expenses paid*.

Flights (business class), accommodation, spending money, food etc.
lumberjim • Feb 15, 2007 8:30 pm
not a prostitute.

why label it?
freshnesschronic • Feb 15, 2007 8:37 pm
Women really do date 10, 15, 60 years up (ahem, Anna). I don't understand why. :(

Sorry I have no real advice, just a filler comment.
bluecuracao • Feb 15, 2007 9:21 pm
freshnesschronic;316199 wrote:
Women really do date 10, 15, 60 years up (ahem, Anna). I don't understand why. :(

Sorry I have no real advice, just a filler comment.


My man is a year and a half younger than me. Don't despair!

Ducks, make sure you ticket is round-trip, and you should be good to go. ;)
DucksNuts • Feb 15, 2007 9:29 pm
lumberjim;316197 wrote:
not a prostitute.

why label it?


geez - have you not learned that I am totally anal about such things.

I like labels and I want to know whether you guys would be thinking ...."little homewrecking slut" :D
SteveDallas • Feb 15, 2007 9:46 pm
DucksNuts;316213 wrote:
I am totally anal


Well if your married friend is into that, go for it . . . .
Spexxvet • Feb 15, 2007 10:11 pm
That's the arrangement my wife and I have. You calling her a ho?
Clodfobble • Feb 15, 2007 10:52 pm
DucksNuts wrote:
I like labels and I want to know whether you guys would be thinking ...."little homewrecking slut"


Well, for me...

I have no problem with the idea of him basically paying you for sex. I definitely do have a problem with the fact that he's married. YMMV
DucksNuts • Feb 15, 2007 11:11 pm
For the record....

I am very much in...umm...lust with the Army dude and wont be pursuing this *arrangement*. :D
zippyt • Feb 15, 2007 11:30 pm
ahh but you DID THINK about it !!!
Aliantha • Feb 16, 2007 4:33 am
I'm with clod on this one. It's one thing to act as a companion to someone etc, but the whole wife thing just makes it sordid. Maybe I'm getting old and fogeyish or something, but I get pissed off with married men who proposition single women these days.
Sundae • Feb 16, 2007 4:52 am
I'll do it! Pass him my phone number please.....

Actually IRL I have turned down trips to Japan, China and Spain which were offered all expenses paid. Sex was never explicitly requested, but there was enough of a suggestion there that I didn't feel comfortable - I didn't want to have sex with 2 out of the 3 men.

I wish I'd gone to Japan though - as I got to know that guy better I fancied the pants off him....
DucksNuts • Feb 16, 2007 5:38 am
Why would you do it now if you wouldnt do it then SG?

Curious, thats all.

Ali - you surprised me with that!! I know you are free-love n all that, but didnt know you would have a problem with the whole married thingiemebob.

Zippy- bite me!! I didnt think about it, well, I thought about what it would be like, but I didnt think about taking him up on it. Occasionally, I have some morals :p
Sundae • Feb 16, 2007 5:57 am
DucksNuts;316266 wrote:
Why would you do it now if you wouldnt do it then SG?

Curious, thats all.

Some of my thought process is missing from my post. It should really read:

I'll do it! Pass him my phone number please.....

I probably wouldn't actually. IRL I have turned down trips to Japan etc etc


I like the idea of a courtesan lifestyle, but when it comes to cold hard reality I couldn't have sex with someone I didn't desire, or fake interest where there was none.

And if the interest was there, I'd only fall for him & end up thoroughly miserable because he's married. Then again, I'm miserable anyway - maybe I'm talking myself into it after all ;)
skysidhe • Feb 16, 2007 10:50 am
You did say he wanted a 'fun' companion. Maybe that's all he wants!
:angel:
Shawnee123 • Feb 16, 2007 10:54 am
Married? Too many worms in that can!
Sheldonrs • Feb 16, 2007 12:28 pm
Give him MY number. I could use the vacation and you would be amazed at how many married "straight" men will hook up with a gay man on the sly.
I've heard every excuse you can think of from "My wife won't do that, so..." to "I just need a ______ while my wife is _____".
barefoot serpent • Feb 16, 2007 12:40 pm
Sundae Girl;316265 wrote:
I didn't want to have sex with 2 out of the 3 men.


it was gonna be all 3 or nothing!:3_eyes:
Shawnee123 • Feb 16, 2007 1:06 pm
Sundae Girl;316269 wrote:


And if the interest was there, I'd only fall for him & end up thoroughly miserable because he's married. Then again, I'm miserable anyway - maybe I'm talking myself into it after all ;)


Then you'd have to drive hundreds of miles wearing a diaper! :p
footfootfoot • Feb 16, 2007 3:26 pm
DucksNuts;316228 wrote:
For the record....

I am very much in...umm...lust with the Army dude and wont be pursuing this *arrangement*. :D


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footfootfoot • Feb 16, 2007 3:30 pm
Sundae Girl;316265 wrote:
I
Actually IRL I have turned down trips to Japan, China and Spain which were offered all expenses paid.


Holding out for a trip to:

Location
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Philly suburbs
???
DucksNuts • Feb 16, 2007 5:51 pm
Are you calling me a Loser foot3??? :p
Aliantha • Feb 16, 2007 5:55 pm
I dunno Ducks. I find myself in a quandry lately. The whole, sanctity of marriage and all that.

I will say though, that if the wife knows what's going on then it's ok, or if they have an open relationship then that's ok too. It's only if it's on the sly that I've got a bigger problem these days. Not so far as you would go in this instance, but the husband. Know what I mean?
footfootfoot • Feb 16, 2007 7:09 pm
DucksNuts;316444 wrote:
Are you calling me a Loser foot3??? :p


what? me? never.no no no no no no.


yes.
DucksNuts • Feb 16, 2007 7:40 pm
Bite me
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 17, 2007 3:25 am
I will. :blush:
Elspode • Feb 17, 2007 11:49 am
Here in the States, we call this guy a "Sugar Daddy". Nothing wrong with that.
Scopulus Argentarius • Feb 19, 2007 9:10 am
Just a few queastons?

<paranoid-what-if?-mode>

Traveling?


Via what? Plane?, Boat? You do realize that "all expenses paid" means he "owns" you and if you're in the wrong country - he really "owns" you and could give you away. (Yes, slavery still exists in some countries and this scenario has been reported to have happened). Even if that *didn't* happen, I bet you won't have enough money and/or resources to get back home if you were dumped somewhere.

If you travel via boat, you won't leave much of a paper trail; If you are an unpaid "companion" you won't leave much of a paper trail.


What kind of business is he in? Does it involve dealing with middle eastern countries for oil? Heads of state? How do people around him act? Does he usually get what he wants...? And when he doesn't .. what happens..? What of the wife...she could be evil too...

</paranoid-what-if?-mode>


Regards,

SA
footfootfoot • Feb 19, 2007 12:15 pm
That's a good point, SA. I know someone who ended up in a long drawn out situation (years) over seas. The American embassy figured she was just a whore and didn't offer help. She finally managed to escape during a shopping trip in the US. (the guy got sloppy or figured she wasn't going to bolt.)
Aliantha • Feb 19, 2007 6:42 pm
Seriously, if you're even considering entering into a situation like this, you'd be stupid not to have access to funds of your own and retain all your papers in the event that the shit hits the fan and you have to scarper off to avoid the fall out.

Only a foolish person allows themself to be owned by anyone.
9th Engineer • Feb 20, 2007 3:25 pm
Agreed, you would have very little leverage if things got nasty and things took a turn for the worse. If he met with another business partner and decided to pass you on as a gift you'd have to go through the new guy for your ticket home...

Aside: Is there any significant difference between a prostitute and an escort? It's really just a matter of skill on the part of the person, the prostitute's skill ends with sex while the escort is able to provide pleasures of conversation and personality as well as those of the flesh. Just a thought.
rkzenrage • Feb 20, 2007 3:32 pm
I would not get involved with a married person because I would not want someone to do so with my wife.
I am not a complicated person.
Aliantha • Feb 21, 2007 12:59 am
Just because someone travels with someone as a companion whether there's sex involved or not, doesn't make them a prostitute.
rkzenrage • Feb 21, 2007 1:00 am
Who said prostitute?
Edit:
Oh.
My .02:
So?
What the hell is wrong with prostitution?
Never got that one.

If you are getting paid for sex and that is what he has in mind and you know it, regardless of what you call it... prostitute.
dictionary.com
Elspode • Feb 21, 2007 5:13 pm
I always sort of wondered exactly why, if you do anyone you want for free without restriction by government, you weren't allowed to get paid for it.

In the end, I decided it was because the government doesn't like money changing hands without them getting their cut. It isn't like they actually care if someone lives or dies in the process, so it has to be the money angle.
Aliantha • Feb 21, 2007 7:21 pm
By the dictionary definition of prostitution, we're all prostitues. Anyone who's ever had sex is one. Everyone 'gets' something out of sex. There's always a pay off.
Happy Monkey • Feb 21, 2007 7:34 pm
Elspode;317504 wrote:
I always sort of wondered exactly why, if you do anyone you want for free without restriction by government, you weren't allowed to get paid for it.

In the end, I decided it was because the government doesn't like money changing hands without them getting their cut. It isn't like they actually care if someone lives or dies in the process, so it has to be the money angle.
No, it's because of the prudes. There's no reason the government couldn't tax legalized prostitution. It was banned when prudes were more powerful than they are today, and they're still powerful enough that no politician wants to be the one who legalized it.
piercehawkeye45 • Feb 21, 2007 9:45 pm
There is nothing wrong with prostitution. Non baby making Sex is just a form of entertainment and strippers and prostitutes are just entertainers.

If we legalized and regulated prostitution you could make it a lot safer but both parties and the government could get some money out of it by taxes. To become a prostitute you would have to pass a test showing that you don't have any sexually transmitted diseases and force the man to wear a condom and offers free birth control to women. It also protects the prostitutes from getting beat up. Now in the US, if a prostitute gets beaten, she can not go to the police because she was performing something illegal and will get in trouble, but if it was legalized, that person would get punished.

A ban on prostitution is just a law of outdated morals and is definitely institutionalized classism.
Aliantha • Feb 21, 2007 10:48 pm
Prostitution is legal in many states here.
9th Engineer • Feb 21, 2007 11:18 pm
If you legalize prostitution then it becomes an acceptable form of employment. Now before everyone starts noding their heads and thinking about how wonderful that would be, remember that the government can squeeze that from more than one angle. One of the first that pops into my mind is the fact that now everyone capable of walking themselves to the local brothel could be considered to be turning down gainful employment if they did not do so. Might take a little tweaking, but since we seem to think that the government is just waiting for its chance to squeeze more money from us it's a short leap to say that they wouldn't take the chance to cut some expenses.
Aliantha • Feb 22, 2007 12:04 am
*cough*bullshit*cough*
lumberjim • Feb 22, 2007 12:56 am
Aliantha;317530 wrote:
By the dictionary definition of prostitution, we're all prostitues. Anyone who's ever had sex is one. Everyone 'gets' something out of sex. There's always a pay off.

rape victims get something out of it?
Aliantha • Feb 22, 2007 7:39 am
consentual sex lj. That wasn't even close to funny.
Clodfobble • Feb 22, 2007 10:21 am
9th Engineer wrote:
One of the first that pops into my mind is the fact that now everyone capable of walking themselves to the local brothel could be considered to be turning down gainful employment if they did not do so.


It would never happen, and you know it. I collected unemployment for a short time and was not obligated to accept a job at any number of unpleasant places, even though I would have technically been qualified. In Texas, you have to actively interview and be offered a job before you are considered to have "turned down" the gainful employment. Disability benefits are a little more stringent, but prostitution is by definition a physical job, it would never make the cut on the occupational therapists' lists.
lumberjim • Feb 22, 2007 11:14 am
Aliantha;317628 wrote:
consentual sex lj. That wasn't even close to funny.

wasn't intended to be. just pointing out a ludicrous oversimplification.
Aliantha • Feb 22, 2007 6:17 pm
When you have sex there's a pay off. It is very simple, and it's impossible to simplify it further. Just because you don't get paid with money doesn't mean you're not being paid.

Edit: Changed my mind and decided not to bother.