I know this is just a bunch of terrible kids but...
I prefer the long dead Vatican II church of my youth.
Tolerance? When did any religion, that would impose their beliefs on all others, learn the word tolerance?
My god says I must impose his beliefs on other others with force and suicide bombings when necessary.
Scheduled march and spontaneous counter march. Nonviolent freedom of expression being exercised on both sides. I'm OK with that. Chanting and beating a drum was no less obnoxious than others chanting slogans. The Native American elder veteran got drowned out; so, what did he do? He became a little whiney girly man who cried intimidation because that public venue wasn't all his.
The students showed no class, much like war protesters who show up at military funerals. Their lack of life experience; however, is mitigating. If their school takes disciplinary action against them, as opposed to just reteaching, I can see the lawsuits flying.
Reporter Discovers and Writes Story Supporting The Official Narrative
"This confirms my beliefs," say many Narrative supporters after clicking on the paywalled item
:D
It's not just terrible kids; it's their chaperones, too.
It's hard to get good chaperones these days. They should have called upon some Boy Scout leaders like glatt.
I was wondering if you were going to come back with something after that paywalled article mind-boggler.
As people like me leave the Roman Catholic Church, people like them are the ones who are left.
I was wondering if you were going to come back with something after that paywalled article mind-boggler.
if you gonna quote my deleted posts you may fuck right off
Yeah, no.
Do the revisions and/or deletions of your scatterbrained posts in the preview window like everyone else and you won't have anyone making keyword references to them.
Quote my foot.
As people like me leave the Roman Catholic Church, people like them are the ones who are left.
You and me both brother. The American Church decided the culture war was more important than Jesus. It's not going well.
How well "it's going" depends on the goal, I'd say. I am not a Catholic, I respect the choices others make, but it does seem inconsistent when I compare what the source material is supposed to be and what I read and see about the actions of those who claim to be believers.
I think your opening observation, Griff, is most on target. It's a bunch of asshole kids being assholes. T/hey're ignorant of the impact of their actions on others directly and indirectly. Also on themselves. I can see the immediate positive sensation of feeling power and attention. That's small and fleeting compared to the damage to others and to their future, more mature selves.
As for the chaperones, not much can be said as the mob of boys appear to unattended. But there are reports that the mother of the boy in the video deflects criticisms of his actions by claiming "black muslims" harassed her boy:
“Shame on you! Were you there? Did you hear the names the people where calling these boys? It was shameful. Did you witness the black Muslims yelling profanities and video taping trying to get something to futher (sic) your narrative of hatred?? Did you know that this “man” came up to this one boy and drummed in his face? Shame on you. Only reporting what you want. More fake news.”
From
here and
here.
Enabling, blaming, deflecting, so much fear and hatred. Pathetic.
Mr. Native American has said that that video is not quite what it appears to be.
It would appear Nathan Phillips is always more than ready to barge into confrontations to spread his message. In the story about the being attacked by EMU students he says he couldn't just walk by, he said he just couldn't do that. Yes you could, but you didn't want to miss a confrontation Nate.
I see a lot of rude, disrespectful, thoughtless, behavior being labeled as hate. You can’t say it's hate if they don’t give a rat’s ass about you, don't know/care if you exist. :headshake
Yeah, but he's lying, so is Phillips, it's a tradition. It's not just the politicians why feel compelled to lie when getting to DC, it's the tourists too.:yesnod:
Maybe it would help to rename it District of Candor.
Boy didn't lie. Media lied. Videos from elsewhere prove it
Now the split can be witnessed, as both sides work hard to find their places in the sun:
Spectator: "What make a Liberal want to punch a child?"
WaPo today: "The Catholic Church's Shameful History of Native American Abuses"
Not linking anything, because, obviously, fuck them. This is the modern result of a simple, non-violent protest event. Pretty much a bunch of nothing happened, but anyone can find the narrative that winds them up, and eat it up for dinner. You can have whatever narrative you enjoy. Just watch only the POV that confirms it. The only thing unavailable in any media is the truth.
Covington Catholic student from incident at the Indigenous Peoples March issues statement with his side of the story
A classic example of how Russian hackers can manipulate the dialog. It is hearsay from someone who is not verified by any third parties.
They had to get permission to chant in unison? What else must they get permission to think?
Who do you get your permission from?
Which version of 'politburo' do you answer to?
stones...glasshouses
CNN: IT WASN'T US IT WAS TWITTER WHO DONE THAT
Covington Catholic student from incident at the Indigenous Peoples March issues statement with his side of the story
Student’s testimony appeared rather staged once he said they had to ask permission to chant. The NY Times better explains why.
In Mr. Sandmann’s statement, which was released by a public relations firm, he said he remained “motionless and calm” in an effort to defuse the situation.
He needed it edited by public relations firm? That makes it more honest?
Apparently the principle of Covington Catholic will be doing investigations with possible expulsions.
Is this what more easily happens now that a shutdown means no or a shortage of Federal oversight on National Monuments?
"Build that Wall", they chanted. We need more prisons now that violent confrontations and insulting others is encourage by The Don. Mafioso types love violent solutions. As The Don says, it’s just business - complete with a public relations firm writing the testimony.
Too many contradictory parties. Too many did not know who was who. Too many biased statement. Too little need to investigate since the powers that be are on shutdown. Only one conclusion is possible. Violence is encouraged and has increased because the president wants it and openly encourages it. Increasing hate (throughout history) makes such people more popular.
This event simply demonstrates what has been encouraged. Where is David Duke and Joseph McCarthy when we need them.
There were broads there?
You'd think so as it was an abortion rally, but seems like a lot of dicks on the dance floor.
He needed it edited by public relations firm?
People were calling for his murder, and the jobs of his family and of every family in sight on the basis of a single frame, so YES, for fucks sake, he needed protection against people like yourself.
STILL looking for ANY WAY to tar and feather! STILL! I know YOU can't learn, but will everyone else?
STOP DOING THIS SHIT, YOU'RE KILLING US!
Honest source:
The Atlantic: I Failed the Covington Catholic TestThat's a solid piece. I know I assumed too much when I saw the MAGA hat.
Next time a story like this surfaces, I’ll try to sit it out until more facts have emerged.
Wait it out and usually it becomes yesterdays news rather than developing like this did. Like seeing someone kick a puppy, react now or forget it.
People suck, life sucks, I suck. :rolleyes:
STILL looking for ANY WAY to tar and feather! STILL! I know YOU can't learn, but will everyone else?
If honest (a moderate), then he never needed a PR firm. PR clearly did not protect him. If he needed protection, then he did not publish his name. Please do not continue promoting that bogus lie. Extremists do not need protection from moderates. Moderates need protection from extremists; the adults who are still emotional children.
Accurately noted were many dics promoting confusion and extremist agendas. Honest facts are hard to come by. But this is obviously bogus. They needed permission from their chaperons to chant school slogans? Total bull - classic spin - bad fiction invented by a PR firm. Reeks of spin (lies) so commonly found in Fox News and Russian hackers.
Extremists who can be manipulated by obvious lies such as Saddam's WMDs are a threat to moderates. Only extremists advocated and got useless deaths of 5000 American servicemen for no purpose. Extremists are always that dangerous. Extremists will not even apologize for those deaths and thousands more who are permanently maimed - for no purpose.
He went to PR people to carefully promote an extremist agenda. If honest, he did not need professional spin doctors or Russian hackers to rewrite his testimony. Credibility is seriously missing.
Extremism is why demonstrations turn confrontational. And why priming the extremist pump result in so many informative gems such as 'wreck shit'.
This confrontation demonstrate what Trump has promoted to advance himself. Physical confrontation is now encouraged even resulting in revival of the KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists. The real point of this news story and what underlies the Atlantic piece.
Prime the pump so that extremist rhetoric (and the resulting entertainment) exposes its real self. Bring back David Duke and Joseph McCarthy to learn from history. He did not need PR spin doctors to protect himself. That spin only further clouds the event. But makes the actual problem just more obvious.
He's literally a child, Tom.
All these decades spent spitting venom about figurative children, and now you're going after an actual, literal child because he had an adult craft and deliver his defense.
Have you no sense of decency?
...
If our country is going to survive, we all need to pull back from our shit when we're wrong. That is what a "moderate" will do.
Well, first one has to understand and admit one is wrong.
I hear the NA gentleman is going to the school. Folks could actually end up learning something
For the record:
I was wrong.
I'm worse at social media than I thought.
Free speech happened.
It didn't get physical.
"One" didn't refer to you, btw. Just ppl in general.
Yeah, I didn't think so but I also hadn't explicitly said I fucked up starting this thread.
All of us were wrong, and continue to be wrong.
Watch the video and determine for yourself what's happening. Don't read any articles, don't read any quotes, don't read any hot takes, corrections, correction-corrections, or correction-correction criticisms.
The video only shows what it shows.
He's literally a child, Tom.
All these decades spent spitting venom about figurative children, and now you're going after an actual, literal child because he had an adult craft and deliver his defense.
Have you no sense of decency?
Those kids are Catholics. Tw is terrified of Catholics; because, you know, they'd be inclined to perform an exorcism on him.
Britain's esteemed :rolleyes: Daily Mail is still on the case.
They showed a brief video of the same boys, same day, catcalling a group of girls walking by, and one of the girls caught video the very end of it.
The girls didn't seem terribly angry and one yelled back, how old are you.
C'mon they're high school kids, I don't want to hear about toxic masculinity or toxic feminism. :headshake
Then there was this...
PICTURED: Kentucky students from the same Catholic high school as the teens who taunted a Native American man were allowed to don BLACKFACE at their sports events - and openly goaded African American players
Covington Catholic High School in Park Hills, Kentucky, allowed students over the last 10 years to wear black face to pep rallies
Footage of the incidents appeared online on Monday where they are seen in 2015 with blackface and white painted smiles
In one shocking image, they openly goad a black player from an opposing team
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Yelling and taunting opposing teams in High School is not good sportsmanship or unusual.
No reason to assume it's because the kid was black, he's from another school, he is the enemy.
The kids painted black is a little bit more concern, I wonder what the school colors are.
Some Eagles fans paint themselves green, I've seen Packers fans in green, white and yellow.
So it could be that. I don't know
Nope, blue and white, nevermind.
Heavens to Murgatroyd! Exit, stage left.
Washington Post Issues Key Correction: Native Elder Nathan Phillips Did Not Serve in Vietnam
… Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but was never deployed to Vietnam.
During an interview with CNN, Phillips said he was a “Vietnam-times veteran,” with the accompanying chyron misquoting him as saying “I am a Vietnam veteran…”
Vietnam times Marine veteran sounds misleading. :eyebrow:
... he says he couldn't just walk by, he said he just couldn't do that. Yes you could, but you didn't want to miss a confrontation Nate...
More of us should choose to not walk by.
If this had been a black muslim man in the face of a white catholic priest, the orange bucket of shit would be inviting the priest to the white house and all his bigoted supporters would be on the other side. Because, minorities
BTW, notice that the white privileged pussy got in the face of the old Native American, not the black guys who had words with his group.
Yeah, I'm grumpy this morning
Catch up Spex, the white privileged pussy did not get in the face of the old Native American, it was the other way round.
You're still working off the original video which has proved to be intentionally misleading.
The kids painted black is a little bit more concern, I wonder what the school colors are.
Some Eagles fans paint themselves green, I've seen Packers fans in green, white and yellow.
So it could be that. I don't know
Nope, blue and white, nevermind.
Apparently the school has "black day" and "white day", where the fans will paint themselves black or white. No idea what the significance is, but assuming an innocent explanation for the black paint in general does not justify the minstrel show big white lip paint. And even assuming the kid(s) who did it had no idea, the adults in the room should have told them to go fix it.
My opinion of Sandmann has wavered with the various waves of news, but my opinion of the adults of the school has only gone down, and didn't start high.
Have you no sense of decency?
Remember adults logically and forcefull showed Saddam did not and could not have WMDs. You refused to admit those WMDs did not exist even after George Jr conceded those WMDs did not exist. You were venomous - emotional - actually brainwashed.
So venomous as to not apologize for so many disparaging remarks directed at one who stated clearly, in an adult manner, using only facts, that those WMDs only existed in propaganda - intentional lies.
Almost 5000 American servicemen were killed for no purpose because you (and others also easily played by liars) sent them to their death. When do you apologized for that - act in an adult manner? You still do not. You never apologized - cannot admit that emotions were also responsible for that mistake.
Learn reality. Others have demonstrated Trump like hate promoted by those students. An honest student would never need a PR firm to rewrite his testimony. They even asked permission to chant? Clearly that is not honest. History of that school now demonstrates you are defending people who apparently have a serious extremists (hate) attitude. Same attitude that also said Saddam had WMDs. Same attitude that gets emotional rather than post facts.
So hateful as to post another cheapshot emotions - that I must somehow hate or fear Catholics. So apparently I must hate or fear myself - using emotionally inspired reasoning.
Please return to adult type writing. Discuss facts. Posting nasty insults at another is (and this is a fact; not an insult) is what adults who are still children do. Please return to more adult style writing. Stop acting that the UT who could never even admit Saddam did not have WMDs - even after George Jr admitted he did not. Please stick to facts and stop entertaining henry quirk and other extremist type emotions. Please act like a moderate. Please post more like Happy Monkey who discusses facts without emotions. Extremist resort to cheapshot attacks.
You're still working off the original video which has proved to be intentionally misleading.
How do you separate what is and is not misleading? They all are only soundbytes of a larger event. So all can be misleading.
What actually happened probably will never be clear. What we do know is that confrontations that get physical usually mean extremists were somehow involved.
This article fully explains how I feel about this incident. Those boys and their school get no pass from me.
I'm OK with the way this went down.
A bunch of guys (didn't see any women or girls) got in each other's faces and made their points.
In spite of insults and adrenaline, nobody threw a punch.
Free speech in the age of ubiquitous video cameras and "social" media.
No idea what the significance is, but assuming an innocent explanation for the black paint in general does not justify the minstrel show big white lip paint.
Well, a few days ago the nation had a rush to instant judgement based on a single image -- and then everyone had to back off because they learned from the bigger picture that they didn't have all the facts. Let us not rush to judgement again.
I think you're looking at the first picture. Look at the pointed, curled ends of the lip makeup on the "blackface" dude. Pointed, curled ends are not standard blackface. They would kind of ruin blackface; they are however standard on "joker face".
Joker face is white with red lips. And enlarging the mouth is in no way incompatible with minstrel show makeup.
Joker face is white and red... perhaps except on blackout day?
No, on blackout day, it's black and black.
Smoking is bad for you; so, ditch the peace pipe and pass the firewater.
are we really doing this
Doing what, dissecting a news story? Hell yes. Why not?
debating whether blackface is blackface
Yes. It was kind of important for the people who went hatery on the kids to put some kind of context on the entire event. To hyper-examine why they might be right, when it entirely turned out to be social media framing and nothing of importance actually occurred.
So they pawed through old yearbooks to find things, and used them, even though the kids in question were nine at the time, and yet had no connection to the school where they would eventually go on a field trip and do nothing of actual importance.
Some people hate to be wrong and the hatery made it too obvious. So they fight to be right, up to the point of pathetic absurdity, and that is where we are.
Think of all the times that tw has said "I was wrong about that". Zero times in 28 years. Some people just can't do it.
Gotta give them something so they can save face.
In spite of insults and adrenaline, nobody threw a punch.
Another excellent, honest fact from an event where little that is conclusive can be obtained.
Some people hate to be wrong and the hatery made it too obvious. So they fight to be right, up to the point of pathetic absurdity, and that is where we are.
Joker face is white and red... perhaps except on blackout day?
Some people got stuck on the first impressions, and some got stuck on the second wave. I'm still not sure where I am on the kids. They were doing tomahawk chops, and Sandmann's own descriptions of his smile are a bit weird even (or maybe because it was) filtered through a PR firm, but I've certainly had my own expression misinterpreted.
Much of the "vindication" of the kids was over the revelation that Philips approached the kids, and not vice versa. But I don't remember "who approached who first" being a big part of the initial reaction. Even the initial video shows Philips walking forward until face to face with Sandmann. Maybe there was an implied assumption, though.
While additional information has muddied the waters with respect to Philips and the kids, it has done nothing to justify the chaperones allowing it to get to that point. If cultists are screaming abuse at a group of kids under your charge, get the kids away from there. There were five chaperones, so they could have left one there to direct any groups arriving later.
...hatery...
Some folks have nothing
but the haterade, so they hang on to it like grim death.
If you mean I'm stuck on whether this is blackface or not? I'm undecided; I'm asking questions; if that's "stuck" I'm way happy to be stuck, as opposed to AGAIN accusing a teenager I don't know of being a horrible racist on the basis of a single image.
And, that's not second wave, that whole matter is unrelated. You have gone out on a limb to relate them, why? You need the school to be abhorrent to defend a point that can no longer be defended? I don't get it.
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WRT the adults moving the kids away from the wildly racist Hebrew Israelites, the entire group was waiting in that location because they were waiting in the appointed spot for their bus. The bus arrived, and they left.
BTW Philly is aware of the Hebrew Israelites. They gather downtown and by Temple regularly to protest that whitey must be killed. (
Philly.com story on them - paywall in effect, load in incognito window)
Apparently, when the Hebrew Israelites shouted at the kids that there was "only one nigger in your group!" ... in response, the kids hugged their black friend in solidarity. Caution, I did not see that part of any video, only heard the audio, so I am just reporting what others have reported. There were five chaperones, so they could have left one there to direct any groups arriving later.
Another astute hypothesis. Is there any indication that those chaperons did nothing or did try to defuse the confrontation? Especially if they (so it says) "gave permission to chant".
Caution, I did not see that part of any video so I am just reporting what others have reported.
Why did some unnamed person know that? Whys are always essential to knowing something. We also know anti-hate demonstrators in Charlotte NC physically threatened the Nazis, KKK, and White Racists (who had guns) because someone said so. The missing how or why is, for example, why so many believe Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other obvious propaganda organizations.
Fox News anchorman openly denied reports that people in the Superdome and Convention center (in New Orleans) had no food or water for three days. Therefore that denial also must be true. And since he made a statement without saying why, then it is believable? Nonsense. Honest testimony also says why it is known. Hearsay, without those always required reasons why, is best ignored as if a liel
What did chaperons, who clearly saw what was happening, do to defuse a confrontation? That is an astute question.
If you mean I'm stuck on whether this is blackface or not? I'm undecided; I'm asking questions; if that's "stuck" I'm way happy to be stuck, as opposed to AGAIN accusing a teenager I don't know of being a horrible racist on the basis of a single image.
And, that's not second wave, that whole matter is unrelated.
The second wave was the total exoneration of the kids and demonization of Philips. I think it was an overcorrection, and more information muddies both extreme views, but like I said, I'm ambivalent on the kids.
You have gone out on a limb to relate them, why? You need the school to be abhorrent to defend a point that can no longer be defended? I don't get it.
Bruce posted the pics, I provided the "Black day and white day" context, and reiterated that even if the kid was ignorant of blackface, the adults from the school shouldn't be, which was how I "relate them" to my previous post in the thread. Doing the "tomahawk chop" at a Native American is also in this category.
WRT the adults moving the kids away from the wildly racist Hebrew Israelites, the entire group was waiting in that location because they were waiting in the appointed spot for their bus. The bus arrived, and they left.
They were waiting at an agreed-upon location (hence my remark about leaving an adult there to direct stragglers), but the bus was a block or two away; buses don't pull up to the Lincoln Memorial steps.
President Trump should invite those kids to his next SOTU address.
What could somebody determine, with certainty, about a random subset of adults at your high school today, based on a single, questionable picture of the crowd from a basketball game taken 7 years ago?
~ Obviously, N O T H I N G ~
But you need them to suck for some reason?
I'm only concentrating on the one data point because it's the one you're concentrating on. There's been a lot of stuff in the news on the subject over the course of the week, and I haven't personally brought it here, though I was interested in what people did bring here, and have commented on it.
What did chaperons, who clearly saw what was happening, do to defuse a confrontation?
There was no confrontation.
Why did some unnamed person know that?
They saw the additional videos that came out. Here's the one from the Hebrew Israelites. You can see, there is no confrontation. It's a bunch of nothing.
There is something very beautiful going on: the witnessing of free speech. It's important for the students to see. After a very long witnessing, they tire, and answer with their school chant. It's about the right response to the racism; there's no arguing with the Hebrew Israelites.
Several times during this video, chaperones have the kids back up from the Israelites. The Israelites see the kids as a threat, and demand distance themselves, and at one point THEY tell the kids to back up, which the kids do.
"Y'all got one nigger in the crowd" happens from 1:18:22. The kids are being called a bunch of crackers, so they show they have, actually, two black kids in their group. One of the black students becomes visible and he is embraced but he also dodges into the crowd a little.
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What? Bus loads of high school kids should move because 4 Israelites felt uncomfortable? Fuck that shit, let them move.
But they wouldn't would they, they were looking for a confrontation. So was Phillips, the pro confrontationist.
The whippersnappers are twisted minds, parroting their parents and school teachings, they haven't matured enough to think for themselves yet.
Sadly, they may never.
Either way, what do you think the odds are that the "political rally field trip" never happens at their school again?
From my perspective as a walked away Catholic, being pro-life is the only non-negotiable left in the arsenal. We were hit over the head with that at every Mass. The March for Life is a big deal to them. I'd guess that they'll be there but with a lot of rules around dress and comportment.
Either way, what do you think the odds are that the "political rally field trip" never happens at their school again?
Isn't the purpose of a field trip to go out and learn something? No impose political beliefs on others?
Oh. They can't. Trump has closed all institutions that would provide learning - to promote his tiny political agenda.
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The bishop of the Covington Diocese in Kentucky apologized Friday to the teenager at the center of a controversy over the behavior of Catholic high school students toward a Native American elder in Washington.
In a letter to parents, the Most Rev. Roger Foys said the diocese was too quick to condemn the actions of the Covington Catholic High School students, particularly those of Nicholas Sandmann ...
… "We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it," Foys wrote. "I especially apologize to Nicholas Sandmann and his family, as well as to all CovCath families who have felt abandoned during this ordeal." ...
Wait till they find out Sandmann is actually a serial killer. :lol:
Wait till they find out Sandmann is actually a serial killer.
More likely a comic genius. Was it not a world renowned act?
Or did he only get his five minutes of fame?
More likely a comic genius. Was it not a world renowned act?
Or did he only get his five minutes of fame?
The expression is
15 minutes of fame. You shortchanged him 10 minutes.
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He's just a child. The Donald steals from him every day and he does not complain.
A hero...
Dad paid big bucks to a PR firm to write his testimony. Maybe he can also become a Hollywood sensation by having his picture on the same Sunset Boulevard billboards that so successfully promoted Pia Zadora.
If he gets lucky, he might even find a bloody glove.
If your dad will pay enough, then five seconds of fame might even become 15 minutes. Apparently it is his constitutional right. Who are we to deny him that right by having an opinion?
Pia Zadora unfortunately did not have the right dad.
(is mockery of this event obvious yet?)
Dad paid big bucks to a PR firm to write his testimony. Maybe he can also become a Hollywood sensation by having his picture on the same Sunset Boulevard billboards that so successfully promoted Pia Zadora.
If he gets lucky, he might even find a bloody glove.
If your dad will pay enough, then five seconds of fame might even become 15 minutes. Apparently it is his constitutional right. Who are we to deny him that right by having an opinion?
Pia Zadora unfortunately did not have the right dad.
(is mockery of this event obvious yet?)
Notice how leftist extremists openly mock even the children of the social right. It is an attitude prevalent among Hillary's disciples. Just like a commie family: it's just political correctness.
Again the leftist extremists here mock honest Americans (moderates) with their humor. They don't care that their politics openly provocate more hate and massacres. Only relevant is what they have been indoctrinated to think.
Notice how leftist extremists openly mock even the children of the social right.
An anti-America (right wing wacko extremist) cannot tell the difference between a patriotic moderate and an anti-American leftist extremists. It says which head is doing the thinking.
He parrots what wacko extremists talk show hosts have ordered him to believe. Limbaugh and Trump order him to attack the informed as leftist commie lovers. No wonder this right wing wacko extremist even approve of the KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists in Charlotte and San Diego.
That confrontation demonstrates how wacko extremists (three different groups) confront without resolution. And deserved to be mocked for it. Since Trump even encourages it.
Right wing wackos love to turn the Cellar into a forum of insults. It excites their penis. Neither lefitsts nor moderates do that. Intelligent people do not recite what The Don orders them to believe.
We even shut down the government because an extremists says his penis is bigger than the generals - and now the intelligence community. sexobon even loves that confrontation. Posts insults (and no facts) to justify his extremists rhetoric.
sexbon should lern from the silly kid. Hire a PR firm to write for him.
Then his sentences would be cultivated or lucid.
Apparently he is not getting any. So he bons up with insults. Classic symptoms of a right wing, Trump loving, extremist - who also loves that pointless confrontation. And who wastes bandwidth here praising those fools.
Apparent he too should be mocked.
Well gee-whiz tw, all I did was paraphrase a couple of paragraphs (emotional insults) from your own posts and apply them to you. Shame you didn't recognize them:
Notice how leftist extremists openly mock even the children of the social right. It is an attitude prevalent among Hillary's disciples. Just like a commie family: it's just political correctness.
Again the leftist extremists here mock honest Americans (moderates) with their humor. They don't care that their politics openly provocate more hate and massacres. Only relevant is what they have been indoctrinated to think.
Notice how Trump extremists subtlety mock your concerns. It is an attitude prevalent among The Don's disciples. Just like a mafia family: it's just business.
Again the wacko extremists here mock honest Americans (moderates) with their humor. They don't care that their politics openly endorse more hate and massacres. Only relevant is what they have been ordered to think.
Now here in your reply, you've described yourself to a T, dubya:
Posts insults (and no facts) to justify his extremists rhetoric.
… Hire a PR firm to write for him.
Then his sentences would be cultivated or lucid.
Apparently he is not getting any. ...
Apparent he too should be mocked.
Why that's just what you did in your post [post=1024455]#85[/post]. I'm delighted to hear you feel one should be mocked for such things. Happy to oblige with mocking you.
Black face was used by white entertainers to appear as black entertainers because it's common knowledge blacks have more rhythm. No, that's not it.
If they wanted to fool anyone the wouldn't paint exaggerated features in white and red.
Black face was used by white entertainers to appear as black to make comedy routines funnier because it's common knowledge blacks are buffoons. So the slapstick would be more believable than from a normal(white) person.
I think that may be it. Plus if the act happens to make some people attach the buffoonery to a particular person and that person is offended, you don't want it to be an armed white man, nor him to know what you look like.
Am I missing anything?
Yes: in modern day, anything even approximating that is secret racism, which many white people believe is the worst form of racism.
I'm more against open racism like um, blackface.
I'm against mining coal, but not coal miners.
Let them eat gas, solar, wind, and nuclear.
Yes: in modern day, anything even approximating that is secret racism, which many white people believe is the worst form of racism.
In addition, there's secret blackface in which white people wear blackface covered by whiteface and it's really hard to detect. You have to scrutinize every white person you meet for telltale black or grayish "smudges" where they got sloppy and didn't adequately cover the blackface; or, the whiteface got disturbed. Don't even bother looking for signs of secret blackface in photos; however, 'cause they're all shopped.
"Let them eat gas, solar, wind, and nuclear."
Nah, they just need to learn to code (like laid-off Buzzfeed 'reporters').
Psh. Coding is an after-school extracurricular these days. All the soccer moms became coding moms. But they're late to the party--the next wave of workers will contain far too many coders and not nearly enough geriatric caretakers.
truth
To be fair, who wants to spend their days taking care of baby-boomers?
Yeah, those boomer whippersnappers are all whiney and shit.
Meh... tell that to the young black kid who joked about how hot the white woman was in the 50s. Good thing no one ever got offended back then.
Meh... tell that to the young black kid who joked about how hot the white woman was in the 50s. Good thing no one ever got offended back then.
I hope to think that we have evolved beyond that.
We haven't. The power has just shifted a little.
Phoenix columnist sees blackface photo posted in local restaurant, photo is actually of coal miners, columnist gets angry anyway
I wonder if this person ran home and had their electricity turned off, because electricity is produced in lots of places by coal. And as we all know coal is mined by black-face coal miners...
Way to keep racism alive, Rashaad.
What's next? Oh you'll never guess!
Mary Poppins branded racist by US academic in 'blackface' row over scene where she gets covered in soot
I haven't linked to the paywalled NYT article where they back this notion up via vague references from the books.
I haven't linked to the paywalled NYT article where they back this notion up via vague references from the books.
It's only paywalled if you've hit your monthly limit.
It does refer to a scene in the original
Mary Poppins movie where the soot-covered chimney sweeps are mistaken for hottentots by the Admiral, so the connection between soot-covered faces and blackface is explicitly made in the film. But it is made by the crazy guy who fires cannons from the roof of the house he thinks is a ship, so make of that what you will.
It spends more time on some interesting backstory about the character "Hyacinth Macaw" referred to in the recent
Mary Poppins Returns movie. A fairly explicitly (not necessarily intentionally, but at least a strong example of casual racism of the era) racist character (it's early in the month, see the article for details) from the original books was rewritten to be a bird, a hyacinth macaw. A character named Hyacinth Macaw is referred to in the new movie, a human again, nude except for feathers and a leaf, but now a wealthy widow.
It was an interesting article. Not great, but it shines next to most of the articles criticizing it.
so the connection between soot-covered faces and blackface is explicitly made
Was the explicit connection made to... "white entertainers appearing as black to make comedy routines funnier because it's common knowledge blacks are buffoons"?
Or is it now actually racist for someone to have soot on their face and be mistaken for a black person?
Does any of this bullshit help race relations? Expanding the definition of blackface to everything darkening, that's going to solve race?
No, it makes white
Times readers feel better about themselves. That's all it does.
White people using suntan lotion is racist. :rolleyes:
It does refer to a scene in the original Mary Poppins movie where the soot-covered chimney sweeps are mistaken for hottentots by the Admiral,...
The Admiral mistaking the dirty faced sweeps for hottentots, is not blackface, they didn't blacken their faces to look like something else, they didn't even do it intentionally.
The Admiral firing on the sweeps thinking the were hottentots wasn't racism, it's because they had a history of violence against each other, been prior fighting. Granted they probably got to the fighting stage because of racism but it's beyond that point. That's like saying the US marine on Guadalcanal hating Japs is racist.
CNN, because journalism, lists all the people who have done "blackface" if, in fact, the meaning of blackface has been expanded to pretending to be black.
The list includes not only actors portraying black people but also -- Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder". Downey was not portraying a black man; he was portraying an actor who was portraying a black man. And playing for parody.
All those soldiers sneaking through the jungle at night, and the actors portraying those soldiers in the movies. :rolleyes:
Don't forget about the white people in all of those old B&W film negatives.
Medical science is now experimenting with head transplants. Currently only on animals. Is it legal to put a black man's head on a white man's body? Or is that also called black face?
Ray Milland and Rosey Grier.
I saw this at the Miramar Theater in San Clemente Ca with Kimberly Ann.
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CNN because journalism:
Katy Perry faces criticism over shoe design resembling blackface
source of "criticism" in order to make headline accurate: one single tweet with, at this moment, 20 likes
Where are the Native American protests? They should be all over this bandwagon:
BLACKFEET or BLACKFOOT INDIANS. "Blackfoot" is the English translation of the word siksika, which means "black foot." It refers to the dark colored moccasins the people wear. Some Blackfoot people are annoyed by the plural "Blackfeet," which is obviously an anglicization.
Katy Perry is obviously appropriating their culture.
Blackfeet is an anglicization. And blackfoot isn't? :confused:
Damn whippersnappers are gettin' too damn lazy...
Blackfeet is an anglicization. And blackfoot isn't? :confused:
Damn whippersnappers are gettin' too damn lazy...
Maybe more of an indication of wealthy inequality
Blackfeet is an anglicization. And blackfoot isn't? :confused: ...
anglicise (third-person singular simple present anglicises, present participle anglicising, simple past and past participle anglicised) (non-Oxford British spelling)
1. (transitive) To make English, as to customs, culture, pronunciation, spelling, or style.
2. (transitive) To dub or translate into English.
3. (transitive) To become English.
The first definition was applied to distinguish between the translation and the modified translation. We don't think of people as having foot, we think of them as having feet … excepting footfootfoot of course. ;)
♫ Oh they up and call me Blackfoot
♪ but my real name in A Siksika
♫ When they up and call us Blackfeet
♪ I feel the urge to scalp the sucka
On the subject of blackface....
Buh bye.
I would suggest that by 1984 we should have known better, but if we can agree that actual minstrel show blackface is out of line in 2019 at least we've evolved from 1849. We've gotten pretty Facebookie in this thread with our references to the stupidest most easily triggered in our fair (oops) land. The edges of this thing are changing because the victims (trigger word for the other side) now have some political and economic power.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Blackface
Partly from a love of music, and partly from curiosity to see persons of color exaggerating the peculiarities of their race, we were induced last evening to hear these Serenaders. The Company is said to be composed entirely of colored people, and it may be so. We observed, however, that they too had recourse to the burnt cork and lamp black, the better to express their characters and to produce uniformity of complexion. Their lips, too, were evidently painted, and otherwise exaggerated. Their singing generally was but an imitation of white performers, and not even a tolerable representation of the character of colored people. Their attempts at wit showed them to possess a plentiful lack of it, and gave their audience a very low idea of the shrewdness and sharpness of the race to which they belong. With two or three exceptions, they were a poor set, and will make themselves ridiculous wherever they go. We heard but one really fine voice among the whole, and that was Cooper's, who is truly an excellent singer; and a company possessing equal ability with himself, would no doubt, be very successful in commanding the respect and patronage of the public generally. Davis (the Bones) too, is certainly a master player; but the Tambourine was an utter failure. B. Richardson is an extraordinary character. His Virginia Breakdown excelled anything which we have ever seen of that description of dancing. He is certainly far before the dancer in the Company of the Campbells. We are not sure that our readers will approve of our mention of those persons, so strong must be their dislike of everything that seems to feed the flame of American prejudice against colored people; and in this they may be right, but we think otherwise. It is something gained when the colored man in any form can appear before a white audience; and we think that even this company, with industry, application, and a proper cultivation of their taste, may yet be instrumental in removing the prejudice against our race. But they must cease to exaggerate the exaggerations of our enemies; and represent the colored man rather as he is, than as Ethiopian Minstrels usually represent him to be. They will then command the respect of both races; whereas now they only shock the taste of the one, and provoke the disgust of the other. Let Cooper, Davis and Richardson bring around themselves persons of equal skill, and seek to improve, relying more upon the refinement of the public, than its vulgarity; let them strive to conform to it, rather than to cater to the lower elements of the baser sort, and they may do much to elevate themselves and their race in popular estimation.
Frederick Douglass, "Gavitt's Original Ethiopian Serenaders," The North Star (Rochester, N. Y.: 29 June 1849).I keep thinking Ben Carson should fit in to this discussion.
Is this disparaging? It was a legendary performance.
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Y'know, I make a meager living correcting words written by other people, and I'm pretty darned good at it, but this shit . . .
third-person singular simple present anglicises, present participle anglicising, simple past and past participle anglicised
??? I got nuthin'. Furthermore, I couldn't diagram a sentence to save my sweet patootie.
Because, seriously, WTF? :dunce:
Sure would take a lot of paper to print a book like that. :haha: :runaway:
When I was in 7th and 8th grade we did a shit-ton of this work. I was actually getting pretty solid on it, at which point I never looked at diagramming again. I can barely write a sentence anymore. I remember the book we were using, mostly because my buddies' older brother cut his in half with a band saw and told him he never wanted to see him bringing school work home again.
Diagramming sentences is mox-nix; but, I'm intrigued by all of your buddies having the same older brother!
BTW Philly is aware of the Hebrew Israelites. They gather downtown and by Temple regularly to protest that whitey must be killed.
Welp, the Jersey City mass shooting yesterday was those Hebrew Israelites, actually taking those words to heart. They shot up a kosher market.
Not ETA: I say "those Hebrew Israelites", but it was a guy and a gal at the shooting, and the guy has been linked to the Hebrew Israelites, but the gal has not.
Breaking: CNN has settled the lawsuit brought by Covington Catholic student Nick Sandman.
Terms were not disclosed. Cases against NBC Universal and the Washington Post continue.
The Washington Post has never issued a correction to their story.
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In an unrelated matter, I have used my special mod powers and undeleted my post #4 in this thread. I deleted it one minute after posting, because A) I was being an asshole, and B) it was way too early in the news cycle to confirm there was a narrative problem at hand.
A) I am sorry for being an asshole. B) There was a narrative problem at hand.