Pak Panchayat orders rape of two village women
Islamabad May 07, 2004 3:20:29 PM IST
In a bizzare developement, a local jury (Panchayat) in Pakistan's Punjab Province recently ordered the rape of two village women, both related to each other by marriage, as retribution for the alleged illicit relations of a landlord's daughter with the brother of one of the girls.
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=37542&n_date=20040507&cat=AsiaI don't get it....they accuse the girls' brother of having an affair with the landlord's daughter, and then pass sentence on the girls, rather than the brother?
:confused:
Sidhe
PS
That post was de DEBBIL! (it's your 666th post) :D
That is what happens when you treat half the population as property.
does not compute.....system shutting down........blue screen of death.
Originally posted by lumberjim
does not compute.....system shutting down........blue screen of death.
Sometimes I feel the same way.
And people compain about the American judicial system.
Originally posted by depmats
And people compain about the American judicial system.
So, what? We're not Nazi Germany, either. That doesn't mean that there's not room for improvement. Anyhow, don't you know that we women are all just daughters of Satan, tempting you celibate men away from the striaght and narrow?:eek:
Originally posted by depmats
And people compain about the American judicial system.
In the American judicial system, they sentence you to rape too, they just don't have the guts to come out and say it.
Originally posted by depmats
drop the crackpipe, please. there are people in this world that care for you.
And you're not one of them.:p
you're asking for it, depmats
Originally posted by lumberjim
you're asking for it, depmats
You're right. Sometimes i can be a real jerk, and need someone to slap me around a bit. Consider my nasty posts deleted.
Originally posted by marichiko
don't you know that we women are all just daughters of Satan, tempting you celibate men away from the striaght and narrow?
Yeah, actually I did know that. Now stop tempting me!!!!!
Originally posted by SteveDallas
Yeah, actually I did know that. Now stop tempting me!!!!!
Ha! ha! ha! Now that we have you in our evil clutch, NEVER!:D
[COLOR=indigo]This post deleting thing is really getting annoying. If you're going to say something, have the cajones to leave it up there.[/COLOR]
I'll second that, Onyx. If you post something, then change your mind/heart, just make a statement to that effect, don't delete.:)
On the two raped Islamic women, don't their brothers have to kill them now? I read of several instances of that happening.:confused:
I think so. The preferred method is setting them on fire.
The really awful thing is, I've heard of several instances where the women beg to be killed rather than "bear the shame."
"bear the shame."
I think that translates as a lifetime of abuse and torture.:(
The whole "raped women bring shame on the tribe" thing really isn't Islamic at all. In fact, the Qur'an has a passage <a href="http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=578144">specifically opposing the murder of infant girls</a> as a preemptive prevention for this sort of thing; presumably, and I'm no Qur'anic scholar, that extends to not killing them later on.
It's a pre-Islamic Bedouin-tribe thing. Scapegoat, scapegoat, I know.
Thats a good point Skunks. There is nothing inherently abusive about Islam. In fact if you look at the Quran, much of what is seen as an acceptance of violence against women is when taken in the context of the 9th century an exhortation against violence.
For instance.....there is a part of the quran which has been publicised recently which suggests a man may beat his wife if she is unfaithful to him....sounds awful, but in context what it actually says is, do not beat your wife as a first response.....Try first talking to her, if that does not work, withdraw sex ( as an aside the quran gives both men and women the right to enjoy sexual release within marriage and a woman who is denied that has reasonable grounds for divorce)and only if those things do not work should a man beat his wife. It is an exhortation to men not to instantly resort to violence against their wives Taken in the context of the medieaval era thats pretty radical stuff.....when you consider that at the time there was a rhyme in england which went "A spaniel, a woman a walnut tree, the better theyre beaten the better they be"........At the time when Islam was exhorting men to see that their wives were given sexual fulfilment the women in Europe were being denied their sexual identity altogether and had no rights within marriage. In Islam women have a right to seek divorce in all manner of circumstances.
That said, some of the societies which adopted Islam had a distinctly misogynistic bent and that has fed through into the way they practice their religion.
Why would you beat a walnut tree?
Originally posted by Happy Monkey
Why would you beat a walnut tree?
You're the fine woodworker, you tell us! :)
I'm a woodworker, not a woodsmith. :)
Originally posted by Happy Monkey
Why would you beat a walnut tree?
Maybe to shake loose all the nuts? Oh! That's the John BIRCH society! Never mind.;)
Hm...I thought the whole burning a woman thing was from India.
And another lil thing that's misinterpreted by the radical islamics: That covering from head to toe. What Muhammed said was that women should cover themselves, because back in his day, so I've read, women went around topless sometimes. He was telling them to put on some clothes, not hide under a tent....
Sidhe
Originally posted by marichiko
Maybe to shake loose all the nuts?
Damn. All jokes aside, thats probably it.