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monster 03-22-2020 04:50 PM

Ohioioians ordered to Shelter In Place

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/03/o...-in-place.html

I bet Michigan isn't far behind

Gravdigr 03-22-2020 07:19 PM

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Undertoad 03-22-2020 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049072)
It's true. The national stockpile is 75 million masks.

But they are just for emergencies

... and they are now being shipped to the areas of greatest need

Quote:

The president also said the federal government has deployed hundreds of tons of supplies from national stockpiles to locations “with the greatest need in order to assist in those areas.”

Undertoad 03-22-2020 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie (Post 1049077)
My default TV station is NHK (an English speaking 24-hour channel from Tokyo) and I've been hearing first hand what the national temperament in Japan is. Japan ain't effing around - they locked down early..

You know more than I do and I defer to your judgement on this one

Is the lockdown over, though, because this appeared in my firehose feeds just now and somebody claimed it was Saitama Super Arena this weekend.

http://cellar.org/img/saitamasa.jpg

Or - does it mean masks are quite effective when used properly

I don't know anything any more

Beestie 03-22-2020 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049112)
You know more than I do and I defer to your judgement on this one

Is the lockdown over, though, because this appeared in my firehose feeds just now and somebody claimed it was Saitama Super Arena this weekend.

http://cellar.org/img/saitamasa.jpg

Or - does it mean masks are quite effective when used properly

I don't know anything any more

I just watched the Sumo tournament from Tokyo - one of the most important sporting events in all of Japan. The stadium was empty - only the wrestlers, the referee and the handlers - not a single fan in the stands. It was surreal. Think of the biggest boxing match of the year from Vegas with no one in attendance.

So I don't know where that pic came from but I would be shocked to learn it is a recent pic from Japan. Japan is 1 inch away from cancelling the Olympics so this pic would be very hard to explain.

Undertoad 03-22-2020 11:17 PM

"somebody claimed" is always likely to be wrong. Thank you sir!

Undertoad 03-22-2020 11:18 PM

n.b. here is the thread if you can decode

https://twitter.com/tatsuyakay/statu...95781997420544

monster 03-23-2020 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 1049083)
Ohioioians ordered to Shelter In Place

I bet Michigan isn't far behind

We might not need it ... 3 inches of snow on top of warm pavement will probably take care of those who venture out....


I see Canada pulled out of the Olympics

Beestie 03-23-2020 04:45 AM

This was the first day (March 08 - two weeks ago) of the current tournament. Article.

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/02/...29/920x920.jpg

DanaC 03-23-2020 04:46 AM

With a heavy heart I called in work this morning. I am benching myself until they can get me a laptop to work from home.

I am observing as strict social distancing as I possibly can - going out for food, medicines and walking the dog -

I have to walk carrot - I have no garden to let him in. I can't let him in a garden for most of the day and only take him 1 walk for exercise - every time he needs the toilet, I have to walk him. On top of that he won't do what he needs to do just anywhere - no pavement poos from Carrot. If I don't take him somewhere with grass or a patch of ground set way back from the pavement, he will hold it until he makes himself ill.

I dont live in a built up area - but suddenly all the people who usually entertain themselves with socialising and sports and work, are stuck at home and all going for walks to keep themselves sane and entertained.

Most people are being considerate and keeping a good distance - some are not.

What is really frustrating is when you see a small group of people all walking together, all clearly making a half hearted attempt at social distancing because there's a 1 - 2 foot gap between each person, but they're walking 3 abreast .... I cannot lean any further into this dry stone wall, you fuckwads.

I'm altering my route, stepping into drive ways to make room for someone to go past, crossing the road and back again, to ensure I leave 2m - and to make sure that the elderly lady who just came out of her doorway isn't having to make way, or cross the road for me.

And then a runner will go by leaving a gap of about 2 feet.


yesterday was a nightmare - trying to keep a distance when everyone was out on walks - as families and couples - most trying to leave a good distance and some really considerate sensible people (parents telling their kids to stop and wait so that other people can go down that street with a 2 m gap etc) but just in general very difficult to acheive that distance when so many people are out for non-essential reasons (imo)

If I had a a garden for Carrot I would be leaving my house a handful of times a week for absolute essentials like food for myself or dropping stuff to mum's door, or a midnight walk for the dog so he gets a bit of exercise. I would not be out there walking for leisure

Bit different for youngsters, difficult for them to get their head around being stuck in doors - I can see why a parent might end up taking them for a walk outside to burn off some of their energy especially if they dont have a garden to play in.

Anyone without a compelling reason to be outside should be inside - go outside the minimum amount necessary to continue functioning.

And don't walk 3 or 4 abreast down the street or lane - if you are trying to walk together while social distancing from each other, fine - but drop to single file when you see someone coming the other way.

These fucking cockwombles are going to force the government to bring in much stricter rules and people like me whose dogs don't have gardens or won't shit without going several hundred meters from their house are going to be faced with a serious problem.

Dont just follow the letter, follow the damned spirit - dont go out unless you have to. If you have a decent sized garden, exercise in it, dont go fucking running round the village. If you have teenagers, ground them from non-essential outings - if you have a garden they can exercise in it.

If you have small children, limit the amount of outings to once or twice a week, and the rest o fthe time keep them in or in the garden )if you have one) - if you dont have a garden, be very careful where you take them to play and try to avoid the times of day when people are most likely to be trying to buy food or travel to work (those who cannot work from home) - and make sure you have them under sufficient control to ensure a 2m gap from others.

People are skirting the rules, trying to show they are following them without actually really taking on board what they mean and why they are there.

And that's just my little village and the people who live in but don't usually have a reason to walk around it so much. The situation in the highlands, the dales and the other remote places is even worse. Loads of people traveling to beauty spots or trying to get out to stay in the countryside, in holiday homes and campsites - making it impossible for the residents to social distance and risking total overload of local health services designed for much lower numbers.

Selfish bastards.
.....


Rant over.

Beestie 03-23-2020 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049112)
You know more than I do and I defer to your judgement on this one

Is the lockdown over, though, because this appeared in my firehose feeds just now and somebody claimed it was Saitama Super Arena this weekend.

http://cellar.org/img/saitamasa.jpg

Or - does it mean masks are quite effective when used properly

I don't know anything any more

I chased it down - took a while but you are right - that is the K-1 kickboxing tournament and it was held this weekend over protests to cancel it.

K-1 event draws 6,500 in Saitama, despite calls for cancellation

Wow - how dumb is that?

Undertoad 03-23-2020 08:36 AM

It's like pics we have here then - people are mostly conforming, but once in a while they just go nuts and crowd up. There have been a lot of beach pics where there are crowds because people just have to go.

sexobon 03-23-2020 09:33 AM


monster 03-23-2020 10:18 AM

and there it is. From Midnight

https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...ronavirus.html

DanaC 03-23-2020 11:27 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-52003543



Quote:

Three teenagers were arrested after an elderly couple were allegedly coughed at in the street.

The couple were approached by three people in Hitchin, one of whom is said to have coughed in their faces.

A passer-by intervened and there was "an altercation" which left a woman in her 70s with a black eye, police said.

Three males aged 16, 18 and 19 were questioned on suspicion of actual bodily harm, affray and criminal damage after the incident on Friday afternoon.

Gravdigr 03-23-2020 01:59 PM

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Regarding the crowd at Saitama:

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Carruthers 03-23-2020 03:02 PM

As DanaC points out in her posts above, there is often a mixture of flexible interpretation of the rules and just plain ignoring them in public spaces.

On the other hand, I went to the local pharmacy to collect Dad's prescription this morning and the maximum number of people permitted inside was five at any one time.
However, an informal system of 'one out, one in' had emerged and a queue of people two paces apart was in operation outside.

While that worked well, my recent visits to the nearby supermarket didn't find any evidence of an outbreak of common sense or initiative.
I queued at the check out leaving the required space from the person in front, but the people behind me were breathing down one another's necks and ultimately mine.
Sometimes I despair.

Yesterday I had an Email from my mate in Oz.
His wife's sister had been staying with them for four weeks and had been due to return to the UK in a few days time..
She was concerned at how fast things were changing in terms of the suspension of international flights etc so re-booked her flight to arrive home yesterday.
Qantas charged her an additional £800 ($920) for the privilege.

Also my neighbour flew to Oz ten days ago to visit her son and his family with the intention of returning in mid April.
I understand that she is more or less stranded out there until the end of May, the resumption of flights permitting, but who knows?
At least she won't have to worry about huge hotel bills but it isn't an ideal situation.
She did tell me before she went that it would be her last big holiday so I hope that she enjoys it.

Undertoad 03-23-2020 03:48 PM

Brits just got the order to stay at home 3 weeks

Philadelphia region just got the stay at home order for 2 weeks today

Flint 03-23-2020 04:03 PM

Oregon "stay home" order started today, with no defined end-date.

On Saturday, the coast was overrun by tourists, and by Sunday every little town full of retired seniors and maybe one ICU bed had passed their own "DON'T COME HERE" ordinance. So the State-wide order is very welcome.

Griff 03-23-2020 04:31 PM

The husband of one of the ladies that runs the little outfit I work for owns and runs a grocery store. He is working and staying outside the home for fear of bringing it home. Brutal. They previously stopped the kids from working there. This thing is tearing people apart and yet some folks don't take it seriously at all. She also told me a home bound old-timer in their area recently tested positive. Somebody brought it to him.

Cuomo has a "forward" team for recommendations for turning life back on, but it seems like we're a long damn way from that.

Keene Valley NY is in a similar position to Flintlandia. They're begging tourists to stay away. They don't have health facilities for this kind of thing.

Flint 03-23-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1049149)
They're begging tourists to stay away. They don't have health facilities for this kind of thing.

One confirmed positive in my county. We're a 25-bed facility (total).

I hope this permanently cripples the Airbnb trade in our area, we already couldn't afford housing because of predatory land-lording. It only takes one unanticipated event to shine a light on how razor-thin the ice we've been skating on is.

Clodfobble 03-23-2020 06:06 PM

....Annnd there it is. Shelter in place for Austin.

glatt 03-23-2020 06:39 PM

graduation cancelled for the boy.

:(

BigV 03-23-2020 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049114)
"somebody claimed" is always likely to be wrong. Thank you sir!

sounds like "... people are saying..." "... many people are saying:...".

BigV 03-23-2020 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1049138)
Regarding the crowd at Saitama:

Attachment 70089

paraphrasing Robert Heinlein: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

sexobon 03-23-2020 07:32 PM

People are saying that the federal government is already mobilizing specialized units, with state-of-the-art tracking technology, to ensure no isolation violations will be perpetrated by the Easter Bunny.

We're on top of this one.

BigV 03-23-2020 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 1049147)
Oregon "stay home" order started today, with no defined end-date.

On Saturday, the coast was overrun by tourists, and by Sunday every little town full of retired seniors and maybe one ICU bed had passed their own "DON'T COME HERE" ordinance. So the State-wide order is very welcome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1049153)
....Annnd there it is. Shelter in place for Austin.

Governor Jay "The Snake" Inslee has ordered Washington residents that are not essential to shelter in place, exempting those that help us fight this outbreak, food and agriculture, critical government operations, the media, and he mentioned others, but I couldn't transcribe fast enough. "Restaurants, go to takeaway service asap."

"Enforceable by law."

BigV 03-23-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1049158)
People are saying that the federal government is already mobilizing specialized units, with state-of-the-art tracking technology, to ensure no isolation violations will be perpetrated by the Easter Bunny.

We're on top of this one.

DUCK SEASON!

BigV 03-23-2020 08:00 PM

In the same newscast, these figures were reported:

2200 confirmed cases
110 deaths.

tw 03-23-2020 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1049158)
People are saying that the federal government is already mobilizing specialized units, ... to ensure no isolation violations will be perpetrated by the Easter Bunny.

Since all available eggs are in use creating that vaccine the president says is almost here, then the Easter Bunny will have no eggs to distribute. Even the Easter Bunny is unemployed?

Maybe we will only have a chocolate Easter.

Beer manufacturers and distributors are open. Are chocolate factories and stores open? Read the fine print .

BigV 03-23-2020 09:30 PM

I found this informative:


BigV 03-23-2020 09:49 PM

This was also worthy:


xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2020 12:53 AM

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3 hours in the air so is 2m enough?
4 hours on copper so cover every often touched surface with copper foil.
24 hours on cardboard so let those Amazon boxes sit on the porch for a day.
3 days on stainless and plastic so wipe those bad boys with some of that booze you're swigging.

glatt 03-24-2020 07:17 AM

“Up to” 3 hours.

Truth is, the virus starts “dying” almost immediately. If you looked at a graph of the number of live viruses on a surface after a person sneezes on it, it would look like a graph of the stock market over the last week. The number of living viruses begins plummeting almost immediately.

But sure, wash your hands. Don’t lick the pizza box.

Luce 03-24-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049072)
It's true. The national stockpile is 75 million masks.

But they are just for emergencies

This just made me want to beat my head against my monitor. Thanks for bringing that up.

Luce 03-24-2020 09:26 AM

Arizona still has very few cases, and people are generally acting right, so no lockdowns yet (though bars, restaurants, etc are closed and they are considering assigning times to people for grocery shopping and pharmacies.)

Carruthers 03-24-2020 10:25 AM

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Perhaps it isn't the time for levity, but the title of this article made me smile.

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We will have to get used to this.
Every afternoon the prime minister strides into a butterscotch room in Downing Street and stands at a lectern between two drooping flags to give the latest dolorous news to an uncertain nation.
How ironic that Boris, who instinctively loathes ‘doomsters and gloomsters’, is obliged to play the mortician’s bean--counter and recite the daily tallies of the infected and the dead.

He’s flanked by the best brains in the land. On the right, Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s top scientific adviser.
To the left, Professor Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer. They wear the usual suit-and-tie uniform of reassuring officialdom. And both men stand a few inches taller than the Prime Minister.
Theatre directors call this the ‘stage picture’, meaning the visual contours that show the relative status of the characters in a scene.
Link. Five free articles are available.

Gravdigr 03-24-2020 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1049191)
Don’t lick the pizza box.

Don't lick the--Dammit!!:mad2:

Luce 03-24-2020 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1049191)
Don’t lick the pizza box.

That's not living.

sexobon 03-24-2020 12:50 PM

The Cellar: This is the dawning of the age of aquariums

Quote:

Fearing coronavirus, Arizona man dies after taking a form of chloroquine used in aquariums

A Phoenix-area man is dead and his wife is under critical care after the two took chloroquine phosphate in an apparent attempt to self-medicate for the novel coronavirus, according to hospital system Banner Health.

It does not appear they took the pharmaceutical version of the drug, but rather "an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks," Banner Health said in a statement. ...

fargon 03-24-2020 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1049219)
The Cellar: This is the dawning of the age of aquariums

Some people are just smart enough to be dangerous.

tw 03-24-2020 04:10 PM

Touch a chicken to spread that chicken grease on your hands. How long does it take your soap to remove that grease? That is how long one must wash hands with that brand soap.

Many soaps are poor. Feel diluted. A test says which soaps will better remove that infectious protein. Many soaps from dispensers really do not clean very well.

Nobody is killing a virus. A virus really does not live. That protein must be damaged or it must be removed. Removing (with better and more abrasive soaps) does more.

tw 03-24-2020 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1049191)
The number of living viruses begins plummeting almost immediately.

Unfortunately, those other viruses are not so contagious. And more people have immunity to many of them. Nobody has immunity to this virus that is also so contagious.

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2020 04:50 PM

My question is do the folks that have recovered have immunity now?
I've heard yes and no.

Went to the drugstore, sign out front that they would bring it out to your car or to home if you felt sick.
Table right inside the door with instructions but I didn't get a chance to read them before the girl up front came over gave be a squirt of hand cleaner and ushered me back toward the pharmacy. She, like everyone, was wearing a mask, so I told her I was pretty deaf and read lips. She lifted her mask to apologize. I said gotcha. Fuck CVS, this pharmacy has personality.

Undertoad 03-24-2020 05:12 PM

Re-infection: best current information is looking like no, based on early rhesus monkey tests



although the virus is likely to mutate and come back somewhat differently if seasonal and let's just not think about that part of this right now

sexobon 03-24-2020 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1049259)
… although the virus is likely to mutate and come back somewhat differently if seasonal and let's just not think about that part of this right now

Let's hope this early assessment on that is right.

Quote:

Scientists say the coronavirus is not mutating quickly and might respond to a single vaccine

Scientists studying the novel coronavirus' genetic code say it does not appear to be mutating quickly, suggesting any vaccine developed for it will likely remain effective in the long term.

Peter Thielen, a molecular geneticist at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, told The Washington Post that the strains of the virus infecting people in the U.S. have only about four to 10 genetic variations between the strain that emerged in Wuhan, China.

"That's a relatively small number of mutations for having passed through a large number of people," he told the newspaper. "At this point the mutation rate of the virus would suggest that the vaccine developed for SARS-CoV-2 would be a single vaccine, rather than a new vaccine every year like the flu vaccine."

Thielen compared the eventual vaccine to those used for illnesses such as chickenpox or measles, which generally immunize patients long-term. ...

be-bop 03-24-2020 07:54 PM

I don’t know if anyone has seen the internet rumours about how the Coronavirus started but I’m sure the accounts of a fuck up in the Wuhan Institute of Virology seems to be a more believable story,( who according to articles I’ve read have been researching this virus since 2016’) than some Fucker eating a bowl of bat soup or something from a seafood market.


Any opinions?

:shock:

sexobon 03-24-2020 08:09 PM

Et tu, Brute?

Quote:

States say doctors are stockpiling trial coronavirus drugs — for themselves

Doctors are hoarding medications touted as possible coronavirus treatments by writing prescriptions for themselves and family members, according to pharmacy boards in states across the country.

The stockpiling has become so worrisome in Idaho, Kentucky, Ohio, Nevada, Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Texas that the boards in those states have issued emergency restrictions or guidelines on how the drugs can be dispensed at pharmacies. More states are expected to follow suit.

This is a real issue, and it is not some product of a few isolated bad apples,” said Jay Campbell, executive director of the North Carolina Board of Pharmacy.

The medications being prescribed differ slightly from state to state, but include those lauded by President Trump at televised briefings as potential breakthrough treatments for the virus, which has killed more than 500 people in the United States and infected at least 43,000.

None of the drugs have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for that use. Some of them — including chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — are commonly used to treat malaria, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and other conditions. ...

DanaC 03-24-2020 08:32 PM

@ Be-bop - I don;t think so. And it didn't enter the population via someone eating bat soup. Best current assessment based on gene studies is that it crossed species into bats who then rapidly cross infected each other ( bats immune systems don;t go into fatal meltdowns with the presence of new viruses) then crossed into another species, possibly pangolins who then infected humans,

We don't need a culprit for this - it was always going to happen sooner or later - it does happen periodically and always has (all the great plagues and pandemics are due to viruses jumping species) - what we have is a perfect storm of a disease that is highly contagious, spread through flu like mechanisms, and a global community jumping on planes and thronging city streets

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2020 11:43 PM

I read a good case for the Pangolin link.
I read that China has put a ban on wet markets, but I doubt it because besides live animals and seafood they also sell veggies and other perishable food.

Quote:

None of the drugs have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for that use. Some of them — including chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — are commonly used to treat malaria, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and other conditions. ...
One guy figured out how to beat the system, he discovered there is hydroxychloroquine in his aquarium cleaner.
The virus won't bother him now because he's dead... and his wife is very close to it.

sexobon 03-25-2020 06:03 AM

They'll probably still send him a stimulus check.

sexobon 03-25-2020 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 1049277)
… then crossed into another species, possibly pangolins who then infected humans ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1049285)
I read a good case for the Pangolin link. ...

Wikipedia says pangolins have been ruled out as a direct source.

Clodfobble 03-25-2020 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1049285)

One guy figured out how to beat the system, he discovered there is hydroxychloroquine in his aquarium cleaner.

The virus won't bother him now because he's dead... and his wife is very close to it.

Meanwhile people who actually take that drug are reporting that they can't get it anymore. :(

Griff 03-25-2020 07:12 AM

My friend with RA hasn't been able to get it for a while...

Griff 03-25-2020 07:53 AM

Yesterday Cuomo had the apex in NY 14-21 days out. They will run out of hospital beds. Cases are currently doubling every 3 days.

You know the terrible kids who are ignoring this? I know one and could have predicted this from year 5. Sometimes parents do a bad job. Flew to Colorado as the news was breaking, flew back into Philly, conned her not boyfriends Dad into picking them up, was refused entry into home, went to her college apartment to party for a couple days, started a road trip to Florida to her Uncles place , he told her not to come, stopped at her aunts place and got chewed out... Both parents have health issues and her Gramma is aged but gotta party. Pete called her on her bullshit and she straight up lied about it.

monster 03-25-2020 08:03 AM

Prince Charles tested positive

I have both of his parents on my death pool list. :/

Griff 03-25-2020 08:05 AM

Always look on the bright side of life...

sexobon 03-25-2020 08:06 AM

The Royal family is close, except for King Harry and Queen Megan.

Clodfobble 03-25-2020 08:22 AM

Waiting in line for the grocery store now. Police are present to make sure everyone behaves. Hoping that if I got here early they might still have some toilet paper on the shelves, but given the number of people still ahead of me, I'm expecting to be disappointed.

monster 03-25-2020 08:32 AM

That family is made of strong stuff. Philip will turn 99 this year, he keeps getting hospitalized, but he keeps escaping...... I think the queen might have missed a church service once for a bad cold?


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