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xoxoxoBruce 05-09-2020 12:09 AM

Where will she park and carry packages and groceries from?

glatt 05-09-2020 04:53 AM

An article I saw said the streets will still be open to residents. Its just closing them to through traffic and keeping the heavy traffic on the arteries.

xoxoxoBruce 05-10-2020 12:19 AM

OK, through traffic, that's a help.

Griff 05-11-2020 07:40 AM

We still are not getting enough N95 masks to the front lines.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...er/ar-BB13ROGF

Luce 05-11-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1052449)
We still are not getting enough N95 masks to the front lines.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...er/ar-BB13ROGF


The ones we bought got "diverted at customs." I hope Trump gets a decent price from the Russians for them.

xoxoxoBruce 05-12-2020 01:12 AM

There's a factory in Texas that had 4 idle machines for making N95 masks. back in January he was getting orders for a couple thousand a month when suddenly he got orders for 700,00 in a week. He alerted the the government to this buying frenzy from overseas and offered to provide them to our country before exporting. First they ignored him then insulted him. Our government was buying them from overseas through American brokers for between $5 and $6 each. After the politically connected brokers pretty much exhausted their connection they finally gave the Texas dude an order for 1 million masks. He's charging them $0.79 each... and still has 4 machines standing idle.

Griff 05-12-2020 07:15 AM


tw 05-14-2020 12:29 PM

First potential tropical storm appears to be headed for the gaggle of empty cruise ships hiding out at sea. It may form in two days. So far, most ships are remaining.

First four storms will be Arthur, Bertha, Cristobal and Dolly.

Meanwhile, the Port of Miami has all docks full of cruise ships. Maybe being resupplied? Or maybe preparing to restart operations?

From financial news, these cruise ship lines did not have problem raising money. Despite cries of bankruptcy, large corporations (even foreign cruise ship companies) can obtain all money needed from American financial markets. Its the little guy who banks tend to ignore.

Griff 05-15-2020 06:02 PM

Trump is in PA trying to gin up the anti-mask crowd. Lil'G started her vacation today. Unfortunately, one of her boys spiked a fever during her last shift and apparently a staff member had to go home with a fever today. 3 kids are being tested one negative so far...

sexobon 05-17-2020 10:08 AM

Mitigation Observation
 
Verry ingteresting... if not yet clinically proven.

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This One Habit is Why Thailand Has So Few COVID Cases, Doctor Says

The coronavirus pandemic has had global reach, affecting most developed nations within weeks of it leaving the Wuhan province of China from which it emanated. But curiously, nearby Thailand has enjoyed an incredibly low number of cases, which has led Dr. Amy Baxter to believe that this one personal hygiene habit is the reason: nasal irrigation.

Yesterday, Thailand authorities announced zero new coronavirus cases, and zero [new] deaths as a result of COVID-19 while announcing plans to reopen the Southeast Asian country. Since the outbreak started, there have only been 3,025 reported cases of the coronavirus in Thailand, leading to only 56 deaths. These numbers are stunningly low considering that there are 70 million individuals that live in this favorite tourist destination.

Why are these numbers so low? Well, a vast majority of Thai people regularly practice nasal irrigation or the regular cleansing of their sinus with neti pots. And according to Dr. Baxter, that's made a huge impact.

In a recent interview with Best Life, Baxter noted the total deaths in Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, Laos, and Vietnam are particularly low. "Yes, they wear masks, and yes, they bow and don't shake hands, but the biggest difference between them and places like South Korea or Japan is that nasal irrigation is practiced by 80 percent of people," she says. Laos has had less than 20 reported cases, and Vietnam roughly 300.

After considerable research and talking to colleagues who focus on both ear, nose, and throat and pulmonary treatment, the CEO and founder of Pain Care Labs, added that she "believe[s] strongly that nasal irrigation is the key to reducing COVID-19 progression of symptoms and infectivity."

According to Baxter, recent clinical trials show that nasal irrigation reduces the duration and symptoms for other viral illnesses like flu and the common cold, though it hasn't yet been studied for COVID-19. Still, she has multiple reasons for believing that this approach can be effective in preventing coronavirus from worsening in a sick patient. "SARS-CoV2's viral load is heaviest in sinuses/nasal cavity."

There is a growing belief in medical communities that the viral load of COVID-19 is a significant variable in whether an individual gets sick or not. Baxter explained how the buildup of viral particles in one's sinus can inevitably lead to respiratory illness, but flushing it out once or twice a day "gives the immune system time to figure out what it needs while reducing the enemy."

For anyone exposed to or positive for COVID-19, Baxter offers the following specific self-treatment:

"Do a hypertonic nasal irrigation with 1/2 tsp. povidone-iodine in the a.m. and in the evening with 8 oz. boiled lukewarm tap water, 1/2 tsp. baking soda, and 1 tsp. salt per cup H20."

According to Dr. Baxter, there are now nine new registered trials trying this idea, including at Stanford, University of Kentucky, NYU Langone, University of Pittsburgh, and Vanderbilt among others.

In short, regular flushing of one's sinuses in the manner described above could be an effective way to keep the COVID-19 contagion from building up and entering your lungs and causing potentially fatal respiratory problems.

Clodfobble 05-17-2020 10:56 AM

I've always thought that I could hold up under waterboarding for somewhat longer than average because I use a neti pot so often. It's basically just willfully drowning yourself in saltwater--but boy does it get the job done (the neti pot, I mean, not the torture.)

sexobon 05-17-2020 11:15 AM

You should send that to the CIA as a suggestion for inclusion in their interrogation resistance program.

Griff 05-17-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1052738)
Verry ingteresting... if not yet clinically proven.

Hmmm... sounds like an easy change to make.

Luce 05-17-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1052742)
I've always thought that I could hold up under waterboarding for somewhat longer than average because I use a neti pot so often. It's basically just willfully drowning yourself in saltwater--but boy does it get the job done (the neti pot, I mean, not the torture.)

Worst tea ever, though.

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2020 08:59 PM

Up your nose with a rubber hose.

monster 05-18-2020 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1052742)
I've always thought that I could hold up under waterboarding for somewhat longer than average because I use a neti pot so often. It's basically just willfully drowning yourself in saltwater--but boy does it get the job done (the neti pot, I mean, not the torture.)

****shudders****
**winces**
***shudders some more***

I honestly think I'd rather prep for a colonoscopy.

tw 05-19-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1052742)
I've always thought that I could hold up under waterboarding for somewhat longer than average because I use a neti pot so often.

Let's do some experiments. I've got this secret facility in Hungary where we can test you without any outside interference or knowledge that might interfere with those tests.

Luce 05-20-2020 03:52 PM

We have 8 people from my workplace on PTO waiting for test results.

This took longer to hit us than I expected.

BigV 05-20-2020 04:49 PM

uh oh.

at your workplace can y'all space yourselves apart? Reduce exposure? I hope so.

Griff 05-20-2020 07:48 PM

Be safe man.

Luce 05-20-2020 10:19 PM

We're bleaching anything that even slows down.

Griff 05-22-2020 07:44 AM

As of May 20 all 50 States are in the process of opening. I can be back in homes as of next week pending testing and training. I'll likely be tested 2x per week.

Sabrina 05-22-2020 08:32 AM

Guys please be careful and keep away from people. You never know who is infected.

Luce 05-22-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina (Post 1053023)
Guys please be careful and keep away from people. You never know who is infected.

Yeah, my boss has it. I just got the nose thing, so I am working in isolation until results come back.

Aliantha 05-31-2020 09:57 PM

Our state here (Qld) is opening up from today so anyone can go anywhere within the state now, but the borders are still closed between the other states. We've had 0 new cases for several days now, and only 1 or 2 or 0 for the last few weeks. Only 5 active cases at present. I think our state governments in general did well in containing the virus, but our federal government are a joke. If it weren't for the state Premiers, we'd be in a mess right now.

My business has tanked though. No weddings or parties for a few months, and almost all of the weddings from this year have moved to next year, so financially things are pretty tight except for the financial packages available through centrelink (our government welfare office). Things are starting to pick up a little bit now that there's a little more certainty. So that's good.

tw 06-01-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 1053388)
No weddings or parties for a few months, and almost all of the weddings from this year have moved to next year,

Is the competition - an instant Las Vegas wedding featuring Elvis - back in business yet?

sexobon 06-07-2020 12:12 PM

Must-have personal protection wear...
 
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Romanian shoemaker makes size 75 shoes for social distancing

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Grigore Lup, from the Transylvanian city of Cluj in Romania, has been making leather shoes for 39 years.

When the pandemic hit, the shoemaker, whose shop “relies heavily on custom orders from theatres and opera houses across the country, as well as traditional folk dance ensembles,” according to Reuters, saw his business impacted.

However, according to Lup, as restrictions eased across Europe, he realised that people weren’t taking social distancing seriously - so he came up with the lengthy shoes as a way for them to keep their distance.

“You can see it on the street, people are not respecting social distancing rules,” Lup told the outlet. “I went to the market to buy seedlings for my garden. There weren’t many people there but they kept getting closer and closer. ...

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Well you can do anything
But stay off of my social distancing shoes

Larenstop 06-10-2020 08:44 AM

I'm so tired of all this virus topic. I'm just waiting for 2021th lol, I believe it will be much better than 2020th.

Gravdigr 06-10-2020 05:29 PM

Me, too. But there's still six months of 2020 to live through, or die from.

Happy Monkey 06-10-2020 06:45 PM

Isn't 2021 when COVID-20 is scheduled?

xoxoxoBruce 06-11-2020 12:59 AM

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You know what else is unhealthy, getting rammed by an SUV. These are screenshots from a video of these two vehicles plowing into protesters. Came down the street side by side and a pretty good clip, not a 1mph push them back move. The video could be speeded up but hit hard enough to send bodies flying.
I put arrows pointing to a pole at the lower right. Using that pole for reference you can see how far they moved in like two seconds.

Griff 06-11-2020 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 1053813)
Isn't 2021 when COVID-20 is scheduled?

just the beta release

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2020 05:31 AM

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This guy survived...

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And the forecast...

CDC June 12th, 2020

~This week CDC received 17 individual national forecasts.

~This weeks national ensemble forecast suggests that there will likely be between 124,000 and 140,000 total reported COVID-19 deaths by July 4th.

~The state-level ensemble forecasts suggest that the number of new deaths over the next four weeks in Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, North Carolina, Utah, and Vermont will likely exceed the number reported over the last four weeks. For other states, the number of new deaths is expected to be similar or decrease slightly compared to the previous four weeks.

Luce 06-15-2020 03:44 PM

So, it turns out that having a real estate agent/politician prescribe medicine isn't really the best option.

https://apnews.com/33f67f8aa5ef2280215087f8e5364017


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WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. regulators on Monday revoked emergency authorization for malaria drugs promoted by President Donald Trump for treating COVID-19 amid growing evidence they don’t work and could cause serious side effects.

The Food and Drug Administration said the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating the coronavirus. Citing reports of heart complications, the FDA said the drugs’ unproven benefits “do not outweigh the known and potential risks.”

The decades-old drugs, also prescribed for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, can cause heart rhythm problems, severely low blood pressure and muscle or nerve damage.

Griff 06-15-2020 05:30 PM

Kinda makes you wonder about Commander Bonespur's diminishing capacity.

BigV 06-15-2020 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1054040)
Kinda makes you wonder about Commander Bonespur's diminishing capacity.

If only.

I do not wonder.

I feel those that support him also do not wonder.

I'm certain our confident conclusions are 180 apart.

sexobon 06-18-2020 02:39 AM

I heard a cosmetics manufacturer is coming out with a line of makeup that's highly facemask resistant. I don't know which one; but, their slogan will supposedly be: Uneasy, Wheezy, Wretchedly - COVIDGIRL.

xoxoxoBruce 06-18-2020 11:43 PM

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Neener neener neener...

Griff 06-19-2020 07:15 AM

They've had a series of breeches. They are looking at their quarantine implementation.

Clodfobble 06-19-2020 12:13 PM

A good article from a top epidemiologist about our realistic outlook.

Some choice quotes:

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So the bottom-line message here is that this virus is going to keep transmitting to others until it hits that 60 or 70% level. And even then, it’s like a plane at 30,000 feet when the pilot announces we’re going to be dropping for landing. It doesn’t just suddenly land, it’ll just slow down... So it would not be unreasonable to say based on what I just shared with you with 100,000 deaths for 5% of the population infected, that somewhere between 800,000 and 1.6 million people could easily die from this over the course of the next 12 to 18 months if we don’t have a successful vaccine.
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There are over 120 vaccine candidates being evaluated right now. But to go to the heart of your question, will any of them make it in the goal? We don’t know... You may not be able to develop what we call durable immunity that lasts a long time. That would be a real challenge, because then you’d have to keep re-vaccinating people if that would even work. The final piece is safety... There’s also an immune enhancement phenomena where your body goes out of whack in terms of immune response. And so, one of the things that we are having to look at very carefully is the safety of these vaccines... The idea that we’re going to have a readily available vaccine by the end of this year is just not realistic.
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I think one of the things we have to understand is we can’t just lockdown. I look at this with two guardrails. On one side is a guardrail where we are locked down for 18 months to try to get us all to a vaccine without anyone having to get infected or die. We will destroy not just the economy but society as we know that if we try to do that. The other guardrail is to just let it go and see what happens. We will see the kinds of deaths we just talked about and we will see healthcare systems that will literally implode... And so we’ve got to thread the rope through the needle in the middle... Those are the kinds of discussions we need to have now. If we’re not going to lock up and we’re not going to open up willy-nilly, then what is the approach? And what we’ve been trying to do is facilitate those very discussions so that people can make hard choices. What are the things that we can do to change society that will help us maintain society to the best we know but at the same time also reduce transmission? That’s a key activity right now that public health needs to be playing a very important role in.

Griff 06-19-2020 05:26 PM

In that light masks look to be a big deal.

https://www.pnas.org/node/931542.ful...Z6_Jq3eUlfn0x8

Our results show that the airborne transmission route is highly virulent and dominant for the spread of COVID-19. The mitigation measures are discernable from the trends of the pandemic. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic. This protective measure significantly reduces the number of infections. Other mitigation measures, such as social distancing implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. Our work also highlights the necessity that sound science is essential in decision-making for the current and future public health pandemics.

xoxoxoBruce 06-20-2020 02:20 AM

It's very hard for folks in Shitkicker MT or NM that don't know anyone who has died or even gotten sick from it to dismiss the constant barrage of conspiracy theories on the net.

DanaC 06-20-2020 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1054167)
It's very hard for folks in Shitkicker MT or NM that don't know anyone who has died or even gotten sick from it to dismiss the constant barrage of conspiracy theories on the net.

Good point.

It's also very easy to dismiss people as fools for believing conspiracy theories, but if you are exposed to enough of it, often coming from sources you trust (family and friends retweeting bogus shit they've been fooled by and of course, ya know, Fox) while simultaneously seeing what appears to be the collapse of legitimate journalism (the President of the United States calling out fake media) - you will more than likely start to view these things less critically and be more accepting of a general sense of suspicion and worry.

Griff 06-20-2020 07:58 AM

I have a cousin closer to NYC whose wife is increasingly frustrated by the conspiracy whack jobs in our family. Our county will likely be the last rural county in PA to go green because we've murdered a bunch of nursing home folks with our shitty attitudes. We're just far enough from NYC to believe we're safe.

Gravdigr 06-20-2020 04:21 PM

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Clodfobble 06-23-2020 11:46 PM

Fun fact I learned yesterday: if you call the paramedics for a completely non-COVID reason, they will stand on your porch arguing for 5 minutes that you should carry the patient downstairs to them so that they don't have to enter your home. I get that they have a hard job right now, but Jesus fucking Christ.

xoxoxoBruce 06-24-2020 12:33 AM

If their clothing (protective gear) is contaminated they'd bring it into your house. If your house is contaminated then they and their equipment gets soiled.
And it's not like they charge thousands of dollars. Oh, they do.

Besides, you just have to drag grandma down the stairs not up. Oh wait, you gave her a room in the basement? Bummer. ;)

Gravdigr 06-24-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1054318)
Fun fact I learned yesterday: if you call the paramedics for a completely non-COVID reason, they will stand on your porch arguing for 5 minutes that you should carry the patient downstairs to them so that they don't have to enter your home. I get that they have a hard job right now, but Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope you learned this second-hand...:(

Clodfobble 06-24-2020 06:12 PM

First hand, unfortunately, but everyone's fine now. There's a bunch of stuff that led up to it, but long story short, Minifob had a sudden crash in blood pressure that caused him to pass out in my arms and stop breathing for a short bit. I got him to the floor and breathing again, albeit erratically, within 15-20 seconds or so. Utterly terrifying, and Mr. Clod and I stayed in his room all night in shifts, but the combination of causes was very identifiable, so there's no concern it will happen again. The paramedics did eventually come upstairs once they understood that the "breathing problems" had nothing to do with COVID and he had in fact tested negative for it just a week ago.

Griff 06-24-2020 06:49 PM

Wow. Rough experience. Sorry Clod.

Flint 06-24-2020 06:53 PM

Asshole tourists with no masks are coming back out to the coast. My town had to pass it's own ordinance requiring masks, so the shopkeepers didn't have to be the "bad guy" in asking people to wear a mask. Locals are now engaged in a "debate" about whether masks are a good idea-- a fact that NO SCIENTIFIC EXPERT disputes. But thanks to oRaNgE dAdDy, a public health crisis is now a ƒucking political issue.

I want to be clear that I mean this in the most offensive way possible-- if you vote Republican and contribute to the current climate of anti-intellectual zombies that are actively TRYING TO SPREAD a deadly virus by avoiding a simple, easy solution, please kill yourself so I can piss on your grave.

Oh, and the local fascists have doxxed my address and made death threats against me online. Because I said they shouldn't threaten to shoot protestors. Because they believed that aNTiFa iS bUsSiNg iN pRoTeStOrS tO sMaLL tOwNs.

sexobon 06-24-2020 07:16 PM

Can't the locals just wear diving masks and scuba tanks or something? That way they'll still get those tourist dollars.

Griff 06-25-2020 06:58 AM

and dump the bodies in the ocean.

Gravdigr 06-25-2020 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1054344)
Utterly terrifying...

Shit, I would imagine so!

Glad he's doing better.

Griff 06-26-2020 07:23 AM

Apparently EMS don't have to do their jobs if it's Covid? The only paramedic in my family is kinda typical for around here, they aren't afraid of the "flu" and are weirdly offended by masks. As PA begins growing cases again, I'm wondering when NYS puts PA on the quarantine list and I end up unemployed.

sexobon 07-26-2020 10:07 AM

One ply, two ply, three ply,... more
 
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Home-made face masks likely need at least 2 layers to curb COVID-19 spread

Home-made cloth face masks likely need a minimum of two layers, and preferably three, to prevent the dispersal of viral droplets from the nose and mouth that are associated with the spread of COVID-19, indicates a video case study published online in the journal Thorax. ...

... A team of Australian researchers therefore compared the effectiveness of single and double-layer cloth face coverings (175 g/m cotton fabric, with a thread count of 170/ inch) with a 3-ply surgical face mask (Bao Thach) at reducing droplet spread. ...

... The researchers used a tailored LED lighting system and a high-speed camera to film the dispersal of airborne droplets produced by a healthy person with no respiratory infection, during speaking, coughing, and sneezing while wearing each type of mask.

The video recording showed that the 3-ply surgical face mask was the most effective at reducing airborne droplet dispersal, although even a single layer cloth face covering reduced the droplet spread from speaking.

But a double layer covering was better than a single layer in reducing the droplet spread from coughing and sneezing, the recording showed. ...

... based on their observations, a home made cloth mask with at least two layers is preferable to a single layer mask, they say, adding: "Guidelines on home-made cloth masks should stipulate multiple layers." ...
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If Your Mask Doesn't Have Two of These, It's Not Working, Study Says

In the absence of medical grade personal protective equipment (PPE), many of us have turned to homemade cloth masks to help stop the spread of coronavirus. But increasingly, research has shown that not all masks are created equal, and some are downright ineffective. A new video case study produced by Australian researchers shows that in order for a homemade cloth mask to stop viral transmission, it needs to have at least two layers of fabric. In effect, if your mask has just one layer of fabric, you can safely bet that it simply doesn't work. ...
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Watch Bill Nye Test Which Face Masks Work the Best
THE SCIENCE GUY IS HERE TO, ONCE AGAIN, EXPLAIN A CONCEPT WITH AN EXPERIMENT YOU CAN DO AT HOME.

... Next, Nye uses a homemade, double-layer cotton face mask with a pipe cleaner insert that allows it to fit snugly over the bridge of the nose. Blowing as hard as he can, just inches from the flame, the scientist is unable to blow it out. ...

Griff 07-26-2020 05:04 PM

My buddies Mom, a right wing nut herself, got into an altercation with a truck load of mask-resistors at an Ice Cream shop. I guess it's big news on FB because these guys are fighting oppression. Strange times.

glatt 07-27-2020 07:45 AM

The fit and breathability of the mask are just as important as the filtration. Possibly more important.

If the fabric weave of the mask is too tight, with a really high thread count, or too many layers, it just acts as a diverter to funnel your breath out the sides and around your nose. Nothing gets filtered.

tw 07-27-2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1055749)
... because these guys are fighting oppression. Strange times.

Nothing new. Nazis in 1930 Germany were also fighting this same oppression.

Did they have strawmen in the 1930s?

sexobon 07-27-2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1055771)
The fit and breathability of the mask are just as important as the filtration. Possibly more important.

If the fabric weave of the mask is too tight, with a really high thread count, or too many layers, it just acts as a diverter to funnel your breath out the sides and around your nose. Nothing gets filtered.

From the first article I linked:

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... The single layer covering was made from a folded piece of cotton T shirt and hair ties; the double layer covering was made using the sew method, as set out by CDC: ...
Seems like they were looking at expendable clothing as a common denominator.

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... This is just one case, added to which several other factors contribute to the effectiveness of cloth face masks, note the researchers. These include the type of material used, design and fit, as well as the frequency of washing. ...
You left out frequency of washing.


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