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Flint 03-13-2020 09:26 PM

I do NOT want to make this into a political thread. I'm just telling you what I've heard with my own ears: people with a known cultural/tribal combativeness against "liberals" are refusing to believe/ignoring/doubting/downplaying the official information we have on a pandemic outbreak, even though they work at a ƒucking HOSPITAL. It is NOT political and it SHOULDN'T BE political so please, let's discuss the actual subject. I'm sorry I said anything, but I wasn't offering an "opinion" --just telling you what I heard, and why it was troubling in the context that appropriate actions taken by individuals are unavoidably critical to mitigating the impact of a communicable disease with a long, asymptomatic incubation period.

Dude111 03-13-2020 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
DC is closing schools through the end of the month. I suspect my parents' babysitting duties are about to explode.

Ya I have been hearing this... WHY UNTIL ONLY THE END OF THE MONTH things are closing??

Is it gonna magically dissapear??


My mom/dad cancelled thier trip to florida and disneyworld is closing for 2 weeks also. (Until the end of march)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint
I do NOT want to make this into a political thread.

Ya its best not to. This isnt the political base after all.....

BigV 03-13-2020 09:41 PM

fair enough.

But those threads of human life can not be teased apart completely or indefinitely.

Our shared experience with this virus will be affected most directly by our behavior, association, hygiene, medical response, and on and on. Each one of those is affected by what we think, in turn affected by what we believe, and that is based on what we're exposed to, so to speak.

We all take in things from outside ourselves, the microbes then inhabit our bodies and the ideas inhabit our minds. They are inseparable. How well we can incorporate or resist them depends on how we respond and how "healthy" we are at the outset.

The urge to wax political is strong, but I'll resist it for here and now.

Undertoad 03-13-2020 09:50 PM

Quote:

Trump is the victim (this time) of "post-modernism"?
I cannot fathom how you might have gotten this conclusion out of my post.

Flint 03-13-2020 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1048427)
Ya I have been hearing this... WHY UNTIL ONLY THE END OF THE MONTH things are closing??

Is it gonna magically dissapear??

It's to flatten out the rate of community spread, so there are enough hospital beds to deal with the critical cases that are inevitably going to happen as a result of the known infections and the fact that we've passed the point of being able to do contact tracing.

BigV 03-13-2020 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1048427)
Ya I have been hearing this... WHY UNTIL ONLY THE END OF THE MONTH things are closing??

Is it gonna magically dissapear??


My mom/dad cancelled thier trip to florida and disneyworld is closing for 2 weeks also. (Until the end of march)

Ya its best not to. This isnt the political base after all.....

Hi Dude

ƒlint's explanation is exactly correct. I can not improve on it.

What I might be able to do is to describe a picture that might help you visualize what's going on and why a two-week school closure might help.

I want you to imagine a fire in the forest. A few trees have caught fire from a campfire--bad. As the fire gets hotter on each tree, the unburned trees adjacent to the burning trees might catch on fire--probably will catch on fire, at some point. With no intervention, the edge of the fire just grows bigger and bigger, the whole fire gets hotter and faster because there's more of it and it wants to spread to unburned areas.

Now imagine at the very start of the fire if we had been able to cut a firebreak around the burning trees and just let them burn. Since the heat from the fire wasn't close enough to spread to the other trees across the firebreak, the fire will die out. That would be great. That WOULD HAVE BEEN great if we'd closed our borders (put a firebreak around the country--exceedingly difficult) before any cases/fire showed up in the country. That did not happen.

But! Imagine if we had teams of foresters moving just beyond the edge of the fire, not cutting a complete break, but cutting down every other tree, or every third or eighth tree. Now the unburned trees in close proximity to the burning trees are fewer--there are fewer places for the fire to leap onto and spread outward. This won't put the fire out but it chokes the speed of the spread, giving the firefighters and foresters time to do their job. Their opponent, the fire, is growing more slowly giving them time to focus on the hottest spots or the most vulnerable spots.

Now back to the schools and concerts and basketball games, etc. By limiting the close physical contact or near contact of lots of people, like the kids, or the fans, there are literally fewer opportunities for the virus to be spread. So as ƒlint pointed out, the curve, the steepness with which the number of new cases/burning trees increases will be less steep, the curve will be flattened. This flattening gives us/firefighters/hospitals/first responders/test kit manufacturers more time working at maximum capacity to address the ones that are sick/ablaze. Those resources are limited. Keeping the number of people they have to address under the number they can address is all we can do now. The alternative is to just get burned.

monster 03-14-2020 01:07 AM

or look at this graphic

xoxoxoBruce 03-14-2020 05:58 AM

They don't know who patient zero is.
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However, a study, by Chinese researchers published in the Lancet medical journal, claimed the first person to be diagnosed with Covid-19, was on 1 December 2019 (a lot of earlier) and that person had "no contact" with the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

Wu Wenjuan, a senior doctor at Wuhan's Jinyintan Hospital and one of the authors of the study, told the BBC Chinese Service that the patient was an elderly man who suffered from Alzheimer's disease.

"He (the patient) lived four or five buses from the seafood market, and because he was sick he basically didn't go out,” Wu Wenjuan said.

She also said that three other people developed symptoms in the following days – two of whom had no exposure to Huanan either.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...s-patient-zero

Clodfobble 03-14-2020 08:43 AM

All y'all are being super patient with the "flattening the curve" explanations, but what Dude asked was why ONLY a month. The restrictions slow the spread only as long as they're in place, and any lifting of those restrictions before significant herd immunity has developed will cause the spread to speed right back up again.

The incubation period alone has been shown to be up to 28 days in some cases. Recovery takes anywhere from 3-8 weeks. Wuhan is only now back at normal hospital capacity (last temporary hospital closed its doors yesterday,) and restrictions are very much still in place there.

American quarantines, when they are declared, will have to be longer than a month.

glatt 03-14-2020 09:24 AM

Yeah. It’s two weeks (for now) that I am remote working. I’m sure they will re-evaluate when the two weeks are up. Hopefully there will not be layoffs then. I need to stay productive.

Undertoad 03-14-2020 11:15 AM

Really heartwarming and beautiful: Italians facing the quarantine are making music with each other, singing and playing tambourines from their balconies and windows!


sexobon 03-14-2020 12:14 PM

The Corona Crooners release their debut album "Quarantine."

Luce 03-14-2020 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1048139)
I was going to rewrite to benefit your quibble, but I'm betting my point has been made.

History will tell us whether the flu, or panic over it, is a bigger problem. If history says flu, the Pres has been terrible. If history says panic, the Pres has been on point.

Place your bets

Problem is, the economic concerns are not panic. They are missed shipments, dry supply chains, and a consumer base that is being quarantined in many nations. The losses are in fact real, and are the virus, not the panic.

Toilet paper is a whole other story.

Luce 03-14-2020 12:41 PM

Spain follows Italy into national lockdown.

https://apnews.com/1dde718068517f188b3fa65a7edcbf86

henry quirk 03-14-2020 02:43 PM

last time I bothered to check...
 
222,000 flu cases and 22,000 flu deaths, in the US, so far.

1,864 carona cases and 41 deaths, in the US, so far.

🤔

henry quirk 03-14-2020 02:56 PM

everybody loves a map!
 
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

Clodfobble 03-14-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by henry_quirk
222,000 flu cases and 22,000 flu deaths, in the US, so far.

1,864 carona cases and 41 deaths, in the US, so far.

22,000 flu deaths this season, which starts back in August/September. Meaning roughly 3,667 deaths per month.

Italy (which, by a number of expert estimations, is the situation we're headed for) just hit 250 coronavirus deaths per day, AKA roughly 7,500 deaths per month--assuming the rate doesn't go higher, which it is expected to do. That's on top of the 3,667 flu deaths per month that the hospital system is already dealing with.

It's not a question of how bad it is now, it's a question of how bad all the numbers indicate it's going to get. Once it gets bad, it's already too late.

monster 03-14-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1048457)
All y'all are being super patient with the "flattening the curve" explanations, but what Dude asked was why ONLY a month.

you're right, to me the curve thing makes it obvious the plan is not to make it disappear, merely slow it down so we can cope better, but I guess that needed spelling out.

The period might well get extended, but we can't all stay indoors for ever until it disappears completely/sufficiently/we have a reliable vaccine......

Some of us are unemployed right now so don't have an employer who will pay them to stay at home. Some work in jobs where their employer will go out of business if forced to pay them when they are not working. Those people will not be able to buy food, pay pills, might lose their houses and cars, AND THEIR HEALTHCARE (if they have any) There is a limit to the extent to which even the most community-minded can "take one for the team".

henry quirk 03-14-2020 05:11 PM

mole hills & mountains
 
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble
It's not a question of how bad it is now, it's a question of how bad all the numbers indicate it's going to get. Once it gets bad, it's already too late.

we shall see... 😐

Griff 03-14-2020 05:38 PM

Visual tracker of cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

Schools are closed now. Some districts are feeding kids. I'm waiting for word from the county health departments on my gig.

Undertoad 03-14-2020 07:34 PM

The UK now goes the opposite direction, and keeps the schools open, in order to make sure that a good number of people are infected.

The theory is that they can manage the rate of infection this way, and quarantine once needed; get their health system to 95% capacity for a long while; as opposed to having a quarantine period now, only to have the infection rate rise quickly again once the period is over, or if it's seasonal. This way, they'll get to herd immunity faster, once (someone figured) 60% of the population is immune.

It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for them.

tw 03-14-2020 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1048502)
It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for them.

A severe shortage of facts exist. Most decisions are based subjectively due to so few quantitative facts.

We learn from our mistakes. Each nation is currently performing an experiment. And we are the monkeys.

Ironically, even the Cellar monkey has better protection. But does he wash his hands? In a virtual world, does he care?

monster 03-14-2020 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 1048508)
Ironically, even the Cellar monkey has better protection. But does he wash his hands? In a virtual world, does he care?

She's washing them right now. Hence the weird expression -mentally singing the chorus to Toto's Africa. And wondering why in the fuck everyone assumes she's male.

xoxoxoBruce 03-15-2020 12:09 AM

Quarantine, isolation, no human contact, barbed wire(electrified), and a moat.
But what comes into your home every day?

Air, light, water, and Mail.
Election year pumps the junk mail numbers, plus I'll bet the mail order catalogs will bump some too.

Clodfobble 03-15-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 1048484)
Some of us are unemployed right now so don't have an employer who will pay them to stay at home. Some work in jobs where their employer will go out of business if forced to pay them when they are not working. Those people will not be able to buy food, pay pills, might lose their houses and cars, AND THEIR HEALTHCARE (if they have any) There is a limit to the extent to which even the most community-minded can "take one for the team".

Oh absolutely, a critical part of all this will have to be financial relief. Delayed mortgage payments, utilities, etc. with no penalties. City of Austin has already declared that no one's electricity is getting cut off while this is ongoing--not least because they anticipate they won't have staff available to go out and do the manual shut off anyway. Other cities have officially put residential evictions on hold. Shut down schools are offering free food to kids during the suspension, ostensibly for the ones who were on free breakfast/lunch programs, but they make it clear that no ID or anything else will be needed, just show up and get a box of free food Mon-Fri. Some are using school bus routes to avoid having people gather for food pickup, just drive the normal route at the normal time and slide a box out the door to any kid standing outside at their normal spot.

It's like, there's no point in repossessing a car that you can't sell because all the car auctions have been shut down, you know? The debt will rack up, and I doubt very many creditors will be outright forgiving anything, but putting people out on the street is exactly what they won't want to do.

Flint 03-15-2020 01:44 AM

But how will we pay for it?

xoxoxoBruce 03-15-2020 02:53 AM

"Just went to Seattle’s UW Medical Center to ask how much patients are being charged for a coronavirus test. $100-$500 if they have insurance. $1,600 if they don’t."

xoxoxoBruce 03-15-2020 02:58 AM

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The UK now goes the opposite direction, and keeps the schools open, in order to make sure that a good number of people are infected.

The theory is that they can manage the rate of infection this way, and quarantine once needed; get their health system to 95% capacity for a long while; as opposed to having a quarantine period now, only to have the infection rate rise quickly again once the period is over, or if it's seasonal. This way, they'll get to herd immunity faster, once (someone figured) 60% of the population is immune.

It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for them.

Lot of negative reaction, these two seem to be credentialed...

Attachment 70032

Japan has had their first reinfection.

Clodfobble 03-15-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1048468)
Really heartwarming and beautiful: Italians facing the quarantine are making music with each other, singing and playing tambourines from their balconies and windows!


Heh... There's traditional Italian classics, and then there's Italians singing "Bitch Better Have My Money" by Rihanna...

https://twitter.com/FENTYGEMlNl/stat...209098752?s=19

tw 03-15-2020 12:03 PM

The scumbag president suddenly (without any planning or warning) decided to separate immigrant kids from their parents. Without any means of reuniting them. And without any facilities to safely warehouse those kids.

The scumbag president suddenly (and without any planning or warning) decided to warehouse incoming airline passengers in tiny rooms awaiting medical checks. Without any means of protecting them from the one who might be Covid-19 contagious. In tiny rooms and hallways where all waiting arrivals are tightly together. Could not ask for a better way to spread a contagious virus.

That happens when 85% of all problems are traceable to a man with a 30 second attention span.

Griff 03-15-2020 12:31 PM

Please move this to politics

monster 03-15-2020 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1048522)
Oh absolutely, a critical part of all this will have to be financial relief. Delayed mortgage payments, utilities, etc. with no penalties. City of Austin has already declared that no one's electricity is getting cut off while this is ongoing--not least because they anticipate they won't have staff available to go out and do the manual shut off anyway. Other cities have officially put residential evictions on hold. Shut down schools are offering free food to kids during the suspension, ostensibly for the ones who were on free breakfast/lunch programs, but they make it clear that no ID or anything else will be needed, just show up and get a box of free food Mon-Fri. Some are using school bus routes to avoid having people gather for food pickup, just drive the normal route at the normal time and slide a box out the door to any kid standing outside at their normal spot.

It's like, there's no point in repossessing a car that you can't sell because all the car auctions have been shut down, you know? The debt will rack up, and I doubt very many creditors will be outright forgiving anything, but putting people out on the street is exactly what they won't want to do.

Basically, those people can stomach being told it's for 2 weeks/a month, but if it's longer than that, they are less likely to co-operate because they know they won't make it financially. That's why ONLY a month. Trying to slow it and make it more manageable with the good will of the public.

sexobon 03-15-2020 02:32 PM

I thought it was because April showers, that bring May flowers, were going to drown all the little buggers. I am disappoint.

Griff 03-16-2020 07:49 AM

Lil'Gs boyfriend was told over the weekend that his lab will be closed for 8 weeks, should I take the over? They've suspended classes so Lil G herself will be hanging with the boys at the residence for the foreseeable future, tough gig.

tw 03-16-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 1048548)
I thought it was because April showers, that bring May flowers, were going to drown all the little buggers.

Do composting. Those little buggers are proteins. Collect them into compost bins. Let those worms eat them up. That makes good fertilizer.

All those little crowns with spikes are rich protein nutrients. That should make vegetables fit for a king.

Griff 03-16-2020 10:05 AM

Late update: I'm supposed to sit tight for a couple days while we await guidance from the Health Dept. I see kids individually which is good but it's really intimate which is very bad...

Spexxvet 03-16-2020 10:21 AM

Impressive simulations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ource=facebook

henry quirk 03-16-2020 10:52 AM

perspective
 
https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...mpared-to-what

Compared to what?
by Heather Mac Donald

On the misguided response to covid-19.

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Compared to what? That should be the question that every fear-mongering news story on the coronavirus has to start with. So far, the United States has seen forty-one deaths from the infection. Twenty-two of those deaths occurred in one poorly run nursing home outside of Seattle, the Life Care Center. Another nine deaths occurred in the rest of Washington state, leaving ten deaths (four in California, two in Florida, and one in each of Georgia, Kansas, New Jersey, and South Dakota) spread throughout the rest of the approximately 329 million residents of the United States. This represents roughly .000012 percent of the U.S. population.

Much has been made of the “exponential” rate of infection in European and Asian countries—as if the spread of all transmittable diseases did not develop along geometric, as opposed to arithmetic, growth patterns. What actually matters is whether or not the growing “pandemic” overwhelms our ability to ensure the well-being of U.S. residents with efficiency and precision. But fear of the disease, and not the disease itself, has already spoiled that for us. Even if my odds of dying from coronavirus should suddenly jump ten-thousand-fold, from the current rate of .000012 percent across the U.S. population all the way up to .12 percent, I’d happily take those odds over the destruction being wrought on the U.S. and global economy from this unbridled panic.

By comparison, there were 38,800 traffic fatalities in the United States in 2019, the National Safety Council estimates. That represents an average of over one hundred traffic deaths every day; if the press catalogued these in as much painstaking detail as they have deaths from coronavirus, highways nationwide would be as empty as New York subways are now. Even assuming that coronavirus deaths in the United States increase by a factor of one thousand over the year, the resulting deaths would only outnumber annual traffic deaths by 2,200. Shutting down highways would have a much more positive effect on the U.S. mortality rate than shutting down the U.S. economy to try to prevent the spread of the virus.

There have been 5,123 deaths worldwide so far—also a fraction of traffic deaths worldwide. And unlike coronavirus, driving kills indiscriminately, mowing down the young and the old, the sick and the healthy. The coronavirus, by comparison, is targeted in its lethality, overwhelmingly striking the elderly or the already severely sick. As of Monday, approximately 89 percent of Italy’s coronavirus deaths had been over the age of seventy, according to The Wall Street Journal. Sad to say, those victims were already nearing the end of their lifespans. They might have soon died from another illness. No child under the age of nine has died from the illness worldwide. In China, only one individual in the ten-to-nineteen age group has succumbed.

Comparing the relative value of lives makes for grisly calculus, but one is forced to ask: are we missing the forest for the trees? If the measures we undertake to protect a vulnerable few end up exposing them, along with the rest of society, to even more damaging risks—was it worth the cost?

An example: there were 34,200 deaths in the United States during the 2018–19 influenza season, estimates the cdc. We did not shut down public events and institutions to try to slow the spread of the flu. Yet we have already destroyed $5 trillion in stock market wealth over the last few weeks in the growing coronavirus panic, reports The New York Times, wiping out retirement savings for many.

The number of cases in most afflicted countries is paltry. As of today, 127 countries had reported some cases, but forty-eight of those countries had fewer than ten cases, according to Worldometer. At this point, more people have recovered from the virus than are still sick. But the damage to people’s livelihoods through the resulting economic contraction is real and widespread. Its health consequences will be more severe than those of the coronavirus, as Steve Malanga shows in City Journal. The people who can least afford to lose jobs will be the hardest hit by the assault on tourism. Small entrepreneurs, whether in manufacturing or the service sector, will struggle to stay afloat. Such unjustified, unpredicted economic havoc undermines government legitimacy.

President Trump has been criticized for not being apocalyptic enough in his press conferences. In fact, he should be even more skeptical of the panic than he has been. He should relentlessly put the coronavirus risk into context with opioid deaths, homicide deaths—about sixteen thousand a year in the United States—flu deaths, and traffic deaths. One might have thought New York governor Andrew Cuomo a voice of reason when, a few days ago, he tried to tamp down the hysteria in a press conference, saying: “This is not Ebola, this is not sars, this is not some science fiction movie come to life. The hysteria here is way out of line with the actuality and the facts.” And yet since then he called a state of emergency in New York, and he and Mayor Bill de Blasio have all but shut down the New York City economy. They, like most all U.S. politicians nowadays, have shown an overwhelming impulse to be irrationally risk-averse.

Rather than indiscriminately shutting down public events and travel, we should target prevention where it is most needed: in nursing homes and hospitals.

It is hard to imagine that the panicked leaders and populace of today would have been able to triumph in the last century’s World Wars. America’s colleges sent off thousands of their young men to fight and die in those wars; those students went off with conviction and courage. Currently, colleges and universities are shutting down with no hint of the virus in their vicinity. Would today’s panicked leaders and populace be able to triumph in the face of a World War, or some other legitimately comparable threat? Let’s hope that we do not have to find out.
Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The Diversity Delusion (St. Martin’s Press) and The War on Cops (Encounter).

Diaphone Jim 03-16-2020 12:55 PM

Some of us here qualify.
It is not selfish to realize it.

Must read:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03...make-it-worse/

Clodfobble 03-16-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble
Also, the school hasn't yet committed to staying closed after spring break, but they announced that they have a plan in place for kids with no dedicated computer at home to check one out from the school if they close--and more tellingly, they instructed all the kids to take home all their books and notebooks from their lockers over the break just in case.

And boom goes the dynamite. School's closed until April 3rd, expect further extensions after that. Instructions will be forthcoming on how they will do virtual lessons from here on out.

On the other hand, the Pope's still walking around, so I missed that deadline. Can't be right all the time I guess.

Luce 03-16-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1048479)
222,000 flu cases and 22,000 flu deaths, in the US, so far.

1,864 carona cases and 41 deaths, in the US, so far.

🤔

Well, it's a good thing we're not at the bottom of the upward curve or anything.

So everything is fine, so long as we remember that "so far" it's not much.

Griff 03-16-2020 04:23 PM

It will be interesting to see how or if herd immunity works out in the UK.

RE: perspective
I'll be taking a law school grads perspective on science with a grain of salt. If I need someone to own college liberals she'll be high on my list. If I want an alternative angle on the science I'd prefer to read an article from a scientist with an opposing view.

henry quirk 03-16-2020 04:48 PM

Luce, Griff
 
meh

Griff 03-16-2020 05:05 PM

I understand the reflexive anti-expert instinct, I'm a generalist myself. I'll build a house, raise some animals, or tend a garden but for something like this I want credentials.

Undertoad 03-16-2020 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1048479)
1,864 carona cases and 41 deaths, in the US, so far.

That was the Friday number, the Monday number is

3,487 cases and 68 deaths

Hopefully our stay-home efforts will keep this number from doubling about every four days like that, since at that rate it would take 36 days to match the flu total and 40 days to double it, and let's just end the speculation at that point so we don't all freak out

I think the doubling is every six days around here?

glatt 03-16-2020 05:26 PM

Daughter just found out in person classes are cancelled for the rest of the semester. Some may go online.

She’s super bummed. So much of what she does is lab work and studio work.

The whole point of the college experience is to be there.

Undertoad 03-16-2020 05:38 PM

It may be groups of 10 or less through August. All this stuff has to go online

Griff 03-16-2020 05:46 PM

Bummer. :(

Undertoad 03-16-2020 06:33 PM

The "flattening the curve" images we've shared over the last week may be wrong. I've seen several graphics with new estimates for various areas. The actual critical care hospital bed capacity is far lower than the top of the "good" curve. We will overrun the number of available beds almost immediately.

Undertoad 03-16-2020 06:37 PM

BUT the lockdowns and self-isolation and quarantining are the solution, because they can be effective pretty quickly. We'll know soon enough!

Undertoad 03-16-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1048603)
That was the Friday number, the Monday number is

3,487 cases and 68 deaths

End of Monday: 4100/72

I think the "cases" number rises faster due to public understanding and test availability

Undertoad 03-16-2020 07:41 PM

Positive: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson are out of the hospital and recovering.

Clodfobble 03-16-2020 09:18 PM

But now we all have Idris Elba to worry about...

monster 03-16-2020 10:30 PM

I see that recovered people are becoming reinfected. WTF. If you survived this thing....... wouldn't you count your blessings and just hole up somewhere for a long time.....?

I know, I know, don't blame the victim, but still.....

xoxoxoBruce 03-17-2020 12:55 AM

Probably a lot of people wrongly assumed post case immunity, like I did.

Undertoad 03-17-2020 02:28 AM

Tale of Two Italian Cities

http://cellar.org/img/bergamolodi.jpg

Lodi had the first Covid-19 case in Italy, and implemented a shutdown on Feb 23. Bergamo waited until March 8.

Dude111 03-17-2020 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Probably a lot of people wrongly assumed post case immunity, like I did.

I read there are 2 known strains so you could get it 2 times.........

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff
Please move this to politics

Please feel free to start a thread on that base about the political side of this Griff :)

Griff 03-17-2020 07:22 AM

Flint has your back.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=34967

Griff 03-17-2020 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1048635)
Tale of Two Italian Cities

http://cellar.org/img/bergamolodi.jpg

Lodi had the first Covid-19 case in Italy, and implemented a shutdown on Feb 23. Bergamo waited until March 8.

solid evidence

Happy Monkey 03-17-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1048615)
But now we all have Idris Elba to worry about...

And Tormund from Game of Thrones.


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