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xoxoxoBruce 09-25-2020 01:03 AM

Who are They
 
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Who are they, the opposition, the Alt Right?

There's the Religious extremists, and the NRA lifers, and the Nazi/Racists, and the Greedy who want to screw others without hindering rules.

And these clowns...

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But I've been reading some blogs that lean a little right and the comments by readers show another Trumpian.

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How many times have I seen a president fail to do what needs done, all the while pretending that adherence to the perceived "proper ways" of behaving , always being ever so diplomatic and tactful were more important than accomplishing what America needs? AS for bullying,, I remember the moment, sadly not who said it, but as the vote for Nafta was oming closer I saw someone on TV tell us
"Yes, we know Nafta is unpopular. We know the american people dont want it, BUt we are gonna pass it. Youll thank us later." I watched that in a state of shock.. Usually when they passed a law back then they acted as if they had no idea what the People wanted.. and then, after they took some abuse for it, went right back to DC and didnt UNDO what they did..
I'll Take this bullying, blackmailing President and gratefully call him mine.
This guy is unaware or disregards all the backroom wheeling and dealing going on behind the diplomatic and tactful behavior.
He has a hardon for congress and thinks Trump is the answer.
The precious constitution he justifies his actions with explains Congress makes the laws, period.

Griff 09-30-2020 05:08 PM

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...oup/proud-boys

https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-are...by-11601485755

Undertoad 09-30-2020 07:23 PM

Proud Boys are 10-20% non-white and its leader is a black Cuban

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nt-white-supr/

Clodfobble 09-30-2020 08:14 PM

Don't tell Gavin McInnes, he's pretty sure he's their leader.

Undertoad 09-30-2020 08:39 PM

He founded them (as a kind of joke, IIRC) and about two years ago disavowed them

Clodfobble 09-30-2020 09:28 PM

Ah, I didn't realize. I just saw a clip last night of McInnes responding to the debate by saying Trump didn't control the Proud Boys, he did. Looks like the Proud Boys responded that they "have a new leader now."

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-...-in-real-time/

Urbane Guerrilla 09-30-2020 10:14 PM

I'm an NRA lifer, xoxoxoBruce.

I can protect your life. You cannot protect mine. One of us is sloughing. You figure it out. I am more civilized than you have been for decades. After all, in contrast to you, I am the anti-genocide one here. The NRA-ILA amounts to the strongest, and most effectual, human rights lobby on the face of the Earth.

Considerations like this mean I don't vote Democratic. They are not, in an impressive and fundamental way, at all interested in human rights. They'll tell you they are; they may even believe they are -- their actions and policymaking say they are not.

Undertoad 10-01-2020 07:37 AM

"I will go out and say that the ProudBoys as a whole, I will say this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy." - Thad, Chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake Utah Chapter

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...dents-comments

Ibby 10-01-2020 12:13 PM

the proud boys are a little more complicated than just "white supremacists", sure. they "denounce white supremacy", but do foundationally oppose both muslims and jews. they describe themselves as "western chauvinists", and accept non-white members, as long as they are willing to uphold a type of "western chauvinism" that looks a lot like white supremacy. They also tend to hang out / participate in demonstrations with a lot more more explicitly racist groups, like Identity Evropa, Patriot Coalition, etc. they're undeniably - proudly, one could say - a far-right, reactionary, violent street gang, but yes, do allow non-white members.

Ibby 10-01-2020 12:15 PM

this article has some good detail on the organization and its loose ideology. (it also makes the point that mcinnes disavowed them explicitly as a legal strategy:
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McInnes said, “I am officially disassociating myself from the Proud Boys. In all capacities, forever, I quit,” adding, “I’m told by my legal team and law enforcement that this gesture could help alleviate their sentencing,” referring to the Proud Boys who were facing legal problems.
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Ibby 10-01-2020 12:25 PM

though the SPLC article linked above lays it out the best, imo.

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Their disavowals of bigotry are belied by their actions: rank-and-file Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville. Indeed, former Proud Boys member Jason Kessler helped to organize the event, which brought together Klansmen, antisemites, Southern racists, and militias. Kessler was only “expelled” from the group after the violence and near-universal condemnation of the Charlottesville rally-goers.

xoxoxoBruce 10-02-2020 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1058815)
I'm an NRA lifer, xoxoxoBruce.

I have my own life, I don't need to be a tool of the nra to be somebody.
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I can protect your life. You cannot protect mine. One of us is sloughing. You figure it out.
Is that so, you pompous hemorrhoid. I think an AR-15 chambered for 7.62x39, a 9mm Sten, and 12 gauge Streetsweeper will do until I can load the scoped rifles.
I try to keep the handguns sorted with the proper caliber&load ammo as it's easy to get mixed up in the heat of a firefight and stick magnums where they shouldn't be.

When I tell the whippersnappers to get off my lawn they move... now.

tw 10-02-2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1058825)
"I will go out and say that the ProudBoys as a whole, I will say this on behalf of the entire national organization, denounce white supremacy." - Thad, Chief of the Proud Boys Salt Lake Utah Chapter

So a rogue chapter exists. Meanwhile, a BBC reporter describes multiple interviews with Proud Boys in Portland OR. Each drove from different states and openly stated that they wanted confrontation.

Proud Boys marched with the KKK, Nazi, and other White Supremacists. How can that be? It contracts a statement from one rogue chapter in Utah.

Numbers and activities by hate groups have increased significantly since 2016. We know who encourages it. An orange face who is even spreading Covid-19. Because his 30 second attention span proved it is not a threat.

No problem. If anyone disagrees, Urbane Guerrilla will be there with guns and insults to prove them wrong. Wacko extremism is alive and well.

Even Trump praises them. Apparently brethren share common attributes - such as a 30 second attention span. Just long enough to hate and then fire.

Undertoad 10-15-2020 10:04 AM

Proud Boys and BLM meet in salt Lake City to denounce white supremacy

DanaC 10-15-2020 10:26 AM

Grrrrrrr

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