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Gravdigr 01-11-2020 10:49 AM

They do.

Leno had this pretty rare Benz that he needed radio knobs for.

I think he said $587. Each. He said, "I decided I didn't need genuine knobs and found some that looked kinda like the ones I needed, and used those."

Undertoad 01-12-2020 09:44 AM

Hummer unveiled its electric vehicle, Cybertruck competitor... Super Bowl ad in the works

http://cellar.org/img/humev.jpg

Without knowing anything about it...

-- it has a grille for no reason! An EV doesn't need to blow air across a radiator to cool its engine... :D

-- it's very tall! The heavy batteries in a Tesla sit low, and make it very stable... they will not rollover easily, which is one reason they are tremendously safe.

-- big old spare tire at the back of the bed! That'll get in the way! and huge, and heavy, it'll screw with its wind resistance, and lead to a lower range; and I bet the average person can't actually lift it. Not that these big bubble tires will ever flatten...

-- it has horrible visibility. Are those windows 15" tall? And that front window is at 90 degrees to the road? Again, terrible wind resistance, lower range...

-- are those HANDLES on the hood? For who, for what?

-- fake fender bolts, fake door hinge covers, fake fake fake!


Griff 01-12-2020 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1044553)
-- it has horrible visibility. Are those windows 15" tall? And that front window is at 90 degrees to the road? Again, terrible wind resistance, lower range...

-- are those HANDLES on the hood? For who, for what?

These fit together, offering pedestrians a hand-hold.

xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2020 12:43 AM

The grille is a Jeep signature, copyrighted and everything.

Jacked up high to give the rugged off road through the wildness vibe even though most of the will get no closer than the short grass on the lawn.
Actually it helps some with all the SUVs on the road it may be tall enough to see something.

The windows is a Chrysler thing, look at all the newer zillion horsepower factory hot rods. They determined that a higher beltline and shorter windows made occupants feel safer and badass, without hurting headroom.

The spare is mounted out back so you can tie the moose carcase over it since you're not allowed to hide it inside. If it's a baby then just tie it on the hood handles. Also with the spare out back when AAA comes to change your flat, if they don't have to crawl underneath to retrieve it you don't have to tip him/her.

C'mon 90 degrees, that windshield isn't over 85 degrees. It has to be upright to open the hood, a slope would mean make the vehicle longer and that makes those walmart parking spaces more difficult.

What makes you think the bolts in the fender flares are fake?

Undertoad 01-13-2020 08:47 AM

It's really all about the aerodynamics.

Hummer owners get 15 MPG, and are fine with it, because they don't resent a $10 big dumb vehicle tax every time they fill up. But when it goes battery, wind resistance means a lower range; like 180 miles per charge instead of 250. That means you can't get to the big city and back.

It's no longer a monetary tax, it's now an inconvenience tax.

Tesla said, if it's going to be an electric vehicle, we will re-think the entire thing, from the ground up. We aren't going to just bolt a battery to a regular car, because that makes no sense. The EV has different needs and different requirements.

Like this:

Quote:

It has to be upright to open the hood
In a traditional vehicle, the hood is important. In an EV, there's no engine, so there's nothing under the hood. Under the hood is a small storage space.

Undertoad 01-13-2020 09:00 AM

Sorry, I can't stop typing, and this is fascinating to me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automo...ag_coefficient

In this list of auto models and drag coefficient numbers, the bottom of the list is all EVs. For a reason! None of the EVs has a drag coefficient number above 0.25. The Hummer H2 is 0.57, highest on the list of affordable production vehicles.

Elon figures the cybertruck can be about 0.30 with a lot of tuning. The lowest truck now is Dodge Ram at 0.36.

I don't think anyone is going to buy this EV Hummer. I think the numbers will come out and it will be an obvious loser. I don't think it makes sense for marketing purposes either. People only buy a Hummer to make a statement, and the EV does not make the statement they want to make. For one thing, it'll be silent.

xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2020 09:08 AM

Unless they're driving highway speeds it not worth looking dorky, I should think weight would play a bigger role around town.
I'm sure there will be a significant number of buyers that will go electric because it's in, hate it, and swear off electrics until they "perfect them". Mainly because they don't understand the tradeoffs involved they'll want the same driving experience as the old F-150.

I also predict Electric drivers are going to be like Vegans, paleos, and gluten free-ers. No, I don't want hear how much you saved. :rolleyes:

BigV 01-13-2020 09:58 AM

Can't quite make out the model name on the badge on the fender, but if it isn't HE, they missed an opportunity.

Gravdigr 01-13-2020 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1044553)
-- it has a grille for no reason! An EV doesn't need to blow air across a radiator to cool its engine...

I believe some very high performance electric vehicles use liquid cooling on the electric motors.





Also, Jeep's trademark grille has seven slots, a Hummer grille has more than that. I think.

Flint 01-13-2020 07:10 PM

I'm convinced. This vehicle doesn't make any sense.

Gravdigr 01-16-2020 02:44 PM

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fargon 01-16-2020 02:47 PM

Hot battery and some gas I bet it would start and run.

xoxoxoBruce 01-16-2020 05:59 PM

That's in Hawaii, and the reason it's been abandoned is because it won't run. It's so expensive and difficult to dispose of a junker they dump them beside the road in the woods... er, jungle.

BigV 01-16-2020 09:24 PM

Rims.

Wee, tiny rims, but hot rod rims nonetheless.



TL;DW

Link to car story

xoxoxoBruce 01-16-2020 10:09 PM

Build a model car that will imitate the weaknesses in a real car. :eyebrow:
Engineering exercize I guess.


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