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Gravdigr 01-11-2020 10:49 AM

They do.

Leno had this pretty rare Benz that he needed radio knobs for.

I think he said $587. Each. He said, "I decided I didn't need genuine knobs and found some that looked kinda like the ones I needed, and used those."

Undertoad 01-12-2020 09:44 AM

Hummer unveiled its electric vehicle, Cybertruck competitor... Super Bowl ad in the works

Without knowing anything about it...

-- it has a grille for no reason! An EV doesn't need to blow air across a radiator to cool its engine... :D

-- it's very tall! The heavy batteries in a Tesla sit low, and make it very stable... they will not rollover easily, which is one reason they are tremendously safe.

-- big old spare tire at the back of the bed! That'll get in the way! and huge, and heavy, it'll screw with its wind resistance, and lead to a lower range; and I bet the average person can't actually lift it. Not that these big bubble tires will ever flatten...

-- it has horrible visibility. Are those windows 15" tall? And that front window is at 90 degrees to the road? Again, terrible wind resistance, lower range...

-- are those HANDLES on the hood? For who, for what?

-- fake fender bolts, fake door hinge covers, fake fake fake!

Griff 01-12-2020 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1044553)
-- it has horrible visibility. Are those windows 15" tall? And that front window is at 90 degrees to the road? Again, terrible wind resistance, lower range...

-- are those HANDLES on the hood? For who, for what?

These fit together, offering pedestrians a hand-hold.

xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2020 12:43 AM

The grille is a Jeep signature, copyrighted and everything.

Jacked up high to give the rugged off road through the wildness vibe even though most of the will get no closer than the short grass on the lawn.
Actually it helps some with all the SUVs on the road it may be tall enough to see something.

The windows is a Chrysler thing, look at all the newer zillion horsepower factory hot rods. They determined that a higher beltline and shorter windows made occupants feel safer and badass, without hurting headroom.

The spare is mounted out back so you can tie the moose carcase over it since you're not allowed to hide it inside. If it's a baby then just tie it on the hood handles. Also with the spare out back when AAA comes to change your flat, if they don't have to crawl underneath to retrieve it you don't have to tip him/her.

C'mon 90 degrees, that windshield isn't over 85 degrees. It has to be upright to open the hood, a slope would mean make the vehicle longer and that makes those walmart parking spaces more difficult.

What makes you think the bolts in the fender flares are fake?

Undertoad 01-13-2020 08:47 AM

It's really all about the aerodynamics.

Hummer owners get 15 MPG, and are fine with it, because they don't resent a $10 big dumb vehicle tax every time they fill up. But when it goes battery, wind resistance means a lower range; like 180 miles per charge instead of 250. That means you can't get to the big city and back.

It's no longer a monetary tax, it's now an inconvenience tax.

Tesla said, if it's going to be an electric vehicle, we will re-think the entire thing, from the ground up. We aren't going to just bolt a battery to a regular car, because that makes no sense. The EV has different needs and different requirements.

Like this:


It has to be upright to open the hood
In a traditional vehicle, the hood is important. In an EV, there's no engine, so there's nothing under the hood. Under the hood is a small storage space.

Undertoad 01-13-2020 09:00 AM

Sorry, I can't stop typing, and this is fascinating to me:

In this list of auto models and drag coefficient numbers, the bottom of the list is all EVs. For a reason! None of the EVs has a drag coefficient number above 0.25. The Hummer H2 is 0.57, highest on the list of affordable production vehicles.

Elon figures the cybertruck can be about 0.30 with a lot of tuning. The lowest truck now is Dodge Ram at 0.36.

I don't think anyone is going to buy this EV Hummer. I think the numbers will come out and it will be an obvious loser. I don't think it makes sense for marketing purposes either. People only buy a Hummer to make a statement, and the EV does not make the statement they want to make. For one thing, it'll be silent.

xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2020 09:08 AM

Unless they're driving highway speeds it not worth looking dorky, I should think weight would play a bigger role around town.
I'm sure there will be a significant number of buyers that will go electric because it's in, hate it, and swear off electrics until they "perfect them". Mainly because they don't understand the tradeoffs involved they'll want the same driving experience as the old F-150.

I also predict Electric drivers are going to be like Vegans, paleos, and gluten free-ers. No, I don't want hear how much you saved. :rolleyes:

BigV 01-13-2020 09:58 AM

Can't quite make out the model name on the badge on the fender, but if it isn't HE, they missed an opportunity.

Gravdigr 01-13-2020 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1044553)
-- it has a grille for no reason! An EV doesn't need to blow air across a radiator to cool its engine...

I believe some very high performance electric vehicles use liquid cooling on the electric motors.

Also, Jeep's trademark grille has seven slots, a Hummer grille has more than that. I think.

Flint 01-13-2020 07:10 PM

I'm convinced. This vehicle doesn't make any sense.

Gravdigr 01-16-2020 02:44 PM

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fargon 01-16-2020 02:47 PM

Hot battery and some gas I bet it would start and run.

xoxoxoBruce 01-16-2020 05:59 PM

That's in Hawaii, and the reason it's been abandoned is because it won't run. It's so expensive and difficult to dispose of a junker they dump them beside the road in the woods... er, jungle.

BigV 01-16-2020 09:24 PM


Wee, tiny rims, but hot rod rims nonetheless.


Link to car story

xoxoxoBruce 01-16-2020 10:09 PM

Build a model car that will imitate the weaknesses in a real car. :eyebrow:
Engineering exercize I guess.

Undertoad 01-17-2020 05:35 PM

I have been told the above Hummer picture is not the electric Hummer concept vehicle. It's a different, earlier Hummer concept vehicle.

~ I am sorry ~

Clodfobble 01-17-2020 05:46 PM

i'm not sorry about ur hmmr.

Griff 01-18-2020 08:17 AM

It was fun mocking though, we'll always have that.

xoxoxoBruce 01-18-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1044919)
I have been told the above Hummer picture is not the electric Hummer concept vehicle. It's a different, earlier Hummer concept vehicle.

~ I am sorry ~

OMG, how could your make such horrendous error, tis the end of civilization as we know it. Hmm, maybe that's a good thing. :haha:

Six web articles about the electric Hummer, and six pictures.

Undertoad 01-18-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 1044920)
i'm not sorry about ur hmmr.

You've got a good sns of hmr!

xoxoxoBruce 01-22-2020 02:44 AM

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Kirkham roadster has lots of options, start with the $100,000 base and add on... 289 or 427, street or race, powder coat or stainless frame and on, and on. The polished side pipes are $3500.

xoxoxoBruce 01-23-2020 12:43 AM

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For a mustang?

Gravdigr 01-23-2020 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1045313)
For a mustang?

Not just a Mustang.


xoxoxoBruce 01-24-2020 12:40 AM

Lipstick on a pig. :p:

xoxoxoBruce 01-26-2020 12:33 AM

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Auction in France with seven Bugattis for sale...

xoxoxoBruce 01-28-2020 12:13 AM

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I've never seen a Crown Vic station wagon, I suspect the crown vic chrome has been transplanted from a sedan.
The side spear is definitely custom, but I love this wagon, even though it's a ford. :biggrinlo

Oh, I just realized it's a '55 not '56. :smack:

Diaphone Jim 02-05-2020 02:25 PM

Here is what seems to be a not much car for very much money. Sold this week.
As usual, the text, comments and bidding history are enlightening.

Gravdigr 02-05-2020 05:40 PM

Seinfeld had one of those on Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee. I think Louis CK was the human guest.

xoxoxoBruce 02-05-2020 11:27 PM

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$142,000 toy, the price will decline as the buyers who can drive a stick will thin out in the future.

Clever trick...

xoxoxoBruce 02-07-2020 11:44 PM

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Looks impressive anyway...

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Add this to a stick shift and you're golden...

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xoxoxoBruce 02-09-2020 11:35 PM

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The sheet metal was heavier back then but look at the size of those holes, it's a wonder it didn't catch fire...

Gravdigr 02-10-2020 02:54 AM

Yeah, when they ambushed Bonnie and Clyde, them ol' boys were not fucking around.

Of course, that little woman could raise mortal hell with a pair o' BARs, so...

xoxoxoBruce 02-10-2020 01:07 PM

Trying to figure out what happened to the roof?

xoxoxoBruce 02-11-2020 12:09 AM

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Cars go through fashion shifts also...

Diaphone Jim 02-12-2020 07:09 PM

I just got the pipe wrench thing. LOL

xoxoxoBruce 02-13-2020 12:58 AM

Yeah, a wrench that size is hefty, do a lot of damage.

Diaphone Jim 02-13-2020 02:29 PM

A low-tech avoidance system, no batteries or software concerns.
The only problem is that tailgaters are about the least observant of all the dickheads out there.. Probably better to chain it on so it moves.

Luce 02-13-2020 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1046312)
Yeah, when they ambushed Bonnie and Clyde, them ol' boys were not fucking around.

I can't say I blame them.

xoxoxoBruce 02-16-2020 12:07 AM

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Is it something in the water down there?

Flint 02-16-2020 01:02 AM

Brother, there is no "down there" that encompasses both Florida and Texas. That's two different nation-states.

xoxoxoBruce 02-16-2020 04:36 AM

True, but both in the all y'all region.

xoxoxoBruce 02-16-2020 11:51 PM

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Need traction?

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2020 12:48 AM

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Two '50 Chevy 4 doors, although the custom may be a '49 but the same body.

BigV 02-22-2020 12:33 AM

Such an elegant car...

xoxoxoBruce 02-22-2020 08:03 AM

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Coolness points off for a 4 door though. Now this is hardcore. :haha:

Gravdigr 02-22-2020 12:29 PM


I thought it was a bee/hornet nest at first glance.

xoxoxoBruce 02-23-2020 12:41 AM

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Yes, that's why you have to be hardcore to do that, damn whippersnappers got no patience. :crone:

This Dodge wagon came from San Francisco and might be a 276, a real hemi.

Gravdigr 02-24-2020 11:31 AM

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Musta been made by a McDonald's employee.

Cuz I'm luvvin' it!

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xoxoxoBruce 02-24-2020 01:56 PM

Very nice job with that one. :thumb:

Diaphone Jim 02-25-2020 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1046987)
Two '50 Chevy 4 doors, although the custom may be a '49 but the same body.

I think the white (stock) one is a two door.

xoxoxoBruce 02-25-2020 01:08 PM

Ding! Ding! Congratulations Jim, you passed the test!!!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :o

Ha ha, good catch, I missed that, didn't catch the extra window.

xoxoxoBruce 03-04-2020 01:16 AM

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Couple of things you won't see everyday every week every month every year every decade.

BigV 03-04-2020 09:45 AM

Monkey Business puts the Rumble in rumble seat!

Diaphone Jim 03-04-2020 11:02 AM

Two (three? four?) neat rides.
You would think Monkey Business would have sprung for a full size spare.

xoxoxoBruce 03-05-2020 12:42 AM

What spare? Do you mean the front tire of the car?
What a grand entrance you'd make to your prom or departure from your wedding.

xoxoxoBruce 03-06-2020 09:52 PM

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Parking lot blues...

glatt 03-07-2020 06:19 AM

Unless you see a person pull in, you have no idea if they are an asshole or not.

If cars are over the line all through the lot, and I can only pull in and park by being over the line too, I will look like an asshole if everyone else pulls out, and my car remains there, parked over the line.

Diaphone Jim 03-07-2020 12:22 PM

That's a funny striping system. The slots are kinda narrow, but well delineated.
The TR2 must have the corona virus.

xoxoxoBruce 03-07-2020 07:00 PM

Slots are narrow but wide enough for the car and delineate the space for access between spots, now the slots are wider but part of that is for getting in and out of the car. Both the TR-2 and the wagon further down the row have their ass in the aisle.

Gravdigr 03-08-2020 03:41 PM

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I been looking at this for yrs, finally had m'camera with me:

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Hey Bruce, is that a 55, 56,or a 57?

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