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Old 11-18-2013, 01:17 PM   #46
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So Obama's handling of the situation, has so far gone 0 for 4 in it's handling of the situation. Hard to call that a success.
Right, he should have handed you a rifle and sent you over to straighten them the hell out.

I guess your desire to spend America's young men and women to bolster your pride, would help the unemployment situation.
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:56 AM   #47
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Right, he should have handed you a rifle and sent you over to straighten them the hell out.

I guess your desire to spend America's young men and women to bolster your pride, would help the unemployment situation.
Iraq just today unveiled it's biggest unmanned drone ever. Able to reach Israel easily. 1,300 mile range, they say.

They haven't yet announced how the drone - equipped with missiles, is going to be useful in "medical research and treatments", like their nuclear material is.

Do you really believe that the Israeli's won't be attacking Iran if the negotiating fails? Of course, Iran has to be expecting that. They saw what the Israeli's did to the Syrian nuclear facility, year ago, and to the Syrian missiles going to Hamas, just recently.

Your argument is based on emotions, and after the stupid involvement in Vietnam, that's understandable. We tried the "let's not get involved, or be prepared" route in the past however, and it has never worked out well for us, over the long term.

Walking softly and carrying a teddy bear, will not deter many bad guys.

Perhaps a policy of letting every country have nuclear enrichment facilities dug into mountains, and drones and missiles able to deliver them, is a good idea, but it will be hell to get a restful nights sleep. In the long run, it's very likely to result in a nuclear war.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:45 AM   #48
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Where in the US is Israel again? I keep forgetting who is ultimately responsible for their security.

So far only countries who don't face MAD have been willing to go atomic. Small sample size but...
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:53 AM   #49
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Iraq just today unveiled it's biggest unmanned drone ever. Able to reach Israel easily. 1,300 mile range, they say.
And this is my problem how?
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:18 AM   #50
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Iraq just today unveiled it's biggest unmanned drone ever. Able to reach Israel easily. 1,300 mile range, they say.
That's Iran, and surrrre it can. 1300 mile range in that little thing, easily, surrrrrrrrrrre

(they lie, fabricate and Photoshop, it's what they do)
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:50 PM   #51
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So Obama's handling of the situation, has so far gone 0 for 4 in it's handling of the situation. Hard to call that a success.
Yes, because there are obviously zero consequences with bombing Iran...

Sometimes we need to realize that we have much less control over these situation than we want to believe.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:57 PM   #52
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And this is my problem how?
Kuwait (Desert Storm) also was not your problem. So why did we go to war?

We do not know how many commitments we have with Israel. In part, because nobody has asked and would not ask until we 'have to' learn about them.

Japan, Australia, Turkey, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia also are not located in the continental US. So why do we have military deployed?
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Old 11-20-2013, 06:20 AM   #53
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Kuwait (Desert Storm) also was not your problem. So why did we go to war?
I don't know, I didn't go.

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We do not know how many commitments we have with Israel. In part, because nobody has asked and would not ask until we 'have to' learn about them.
What do you mean we, white man?
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Japan, Australia, Turkey, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia also are not located in the continental US. So why do we have military deployed?
So we can react quickly with disaster relief?
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:01 PM   #54
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So we can react quickly with disaster relief?
It took the George Washington task force five days to get there. People die after three days of no water.

Of course it could be worse. George Jr took five days to let a US aircraft carrier (USS Bataan) to move only 50 miles up the Mississippi River to rescue Katrina victims in the SuperDome and Convention Center.


We (not just Americans) may have secret agreements with Israel. Unfortunately such obligations are not made public until resources must be committed. Commitments may exist even with 'neutral' countries such as Switzerland. Best way to avoid military endeavors is to negotiate solutions before a commitment becomes necessary. Like it or not, America has obligations all over the world.

Remember why Saddam invaded Kuwait. The American ambassador (April Glaspie) told Saddam it would be OK.. Another example of why we must carefully negotiate solutions from an informed position. We were, unfortunately, too ambiguous with Saddam.
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We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.
Kuwait was not in the continental US. So why did we deploy the entire Seventh Corp? Americans have certain (often unknown) commitments to other nations. Protecting the American serviceman means negotiating solutions before a problem festers.

However, that problem is first and foremost the obligation of regional nations. Extremists want to solve problems immediately with military deployments. Even the lesson of Nam too often get forgotten.

Even Barry Goldwater should have learned, extremism in the defense of liberty is a vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is a virtue.

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Old 11-21-2013, 12:21 AM   #55
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Remember why Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Yeah, $14 Billion.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:36 PM   #56
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Yeah, $14 Billion.
Saddam was on the take? Even dictators can be brought? How much for Assad?
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Old 12-01-2013, 02:27 AM   #57
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Saddam owed Kuwait $14 Billion for financing the war with Iran. He decided to attack rather than pay.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:16 PM   #58
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I may take up a new hobby of building a model drone in a bottle now that they're launching them from submerged submarines.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:58 AM   #59
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When I was a kid, we used to catch drones by hand and put them in a bottle

It's fun and OK, so long as you don't make a mistake and grab a worker bee.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:08 AM   #60
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If I could have drones in a bottle
The first thing that I'd like to do
Is to save every missile till reason passes away
Just to spend them on you

If I could make bytes last forever
If bits could make wishes come true
I'd save every byte like a treasure and then
Again, I would spend them on you

But there never seems to be enough pow'r
To save the things you want to save, once you find them
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I will be doing time with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty, except for the memory of how
They were gathered by you

But there never seems to be enough pow'r
To save the things you want to save, once you find them
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I will be doing time with

the preceding is not meant to be a threat but rather parody protected as free speech
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