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Old 03-08-2004, 07:07 AM   #16
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purplemuffs, it's too large... if you want you can email me the pic and I will reduce it and post it.
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Old 03-09-2004, 02:49 AM   #17
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Wonderbat, the problem is marriage is intrinsic to so many of our laws. It would mean a major revamping of the law library.
...or an amendment, maybe? But seriously...

In this day and age, you'd think we could just do a Find and Replace, 'civil union' for 'marriage'. OK, in actual real seriousness, yeah, I do realize it's not really that simple, but it seems like a concept that could at least be worked with. And nobody's still said whether they're philosophically/religiously opposed to it...

And Billy, I'm not sure who you were asking about marrying if we were gay... I guess if I were, and I wanted to marry my partner, then I might have run off to a city where they are marrying gays and done it. I know a few people in real life who did, in San Francisco on Valentine's Day.

Don't the religious right realize they could stop gay sex simply by allowing gay marriage?! OK, with that terrible throwback to 1950s (attempted) humor, I conclude this scattershot post.
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Old 03-09-2004, 08:42 AM   #18
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I heard that many Chinese gays live together, but they have no legal right to protect their lives. They suffer from the heavy social pressure. I guess that the China law will not permit the homosex people to marry in the coming 10 years.
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Old 03-09-2004, 12:39 PM   #19
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The latest...

Gay Couple Weds In Asbury Park

Senate Minority Leader proposes amendment to ban gay marriage

Lawmaker to introduce constitutional ban on gay marriage
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Old 03-09-2004, 07:58 PM   #20
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Don't the religious right realize they could stop gay sex simply by allowing gay marriage?! OK, with that terrible throwback to 1950s (attempted) humor, I conclude this scattershot post.
In the gay marriage thread, I said it was about time gays could enjoy divorce.
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Old 03-09-2004, 08:19 PM   #21
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Gay marriage is spreading like a slow but steady fire...

--San Francisco
--Sandoval County, NM
--New Paltz, NY
--Multnomah County, OR
--Asbury Park, NJ

Places considering it/talking about it:

--Chicago
--Seattle
--New York
--Massachusetts

John Street is still under FBI scrutiny...what better way to further piss off the Feds than by allowing gay marriage in Philadelphia.

Ya know, if this keeps up, and Joe Blow sees how "damaging" this is to him as a straight person, the tide could turn...
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Old 03-10-2004, 06:25 AM   #22
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In the gay marriage thread, I said it was about time gays could enjoy divorce.
My brother starts law school in the fall... says he smells opportunity. Well moneyed demographic.
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Old 03-10-2004, 09:32 AM   #23
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Excellent thoughts about gay marriage/rights

While I was on an Anne Rice fan newsgroup, the following transcript was posted (it was a phone message from the author):

Quote:

"Hello Guys,

This is nearing the end of February 2004. This is an extemporaneous message and
probably won't appear in this form on my website. I will correct this in the
near future with a longer message after I've had a chance to correct my
thoughts in writing, but I felt it was important to make these two statements
now. First I want to thank you for all of your messages and I want to thank you
for the letters that I've been getting about Blood Canticle and the book, all
of that is very much appreciated. Now, let me go on to the issues at hand. I
think that the President of the United States has made a dreadful mistake in
asking for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a
woman. This is a terrible error and should be protested in letters to your
congressmen and letters to the White House. Gay marriage, or marriage between
people of the same gender, is part of the civil rights revolution that has been
going on for almost 200 years. That revolution has seen an end to slavery, it
has seen the end of segregation in this country, it has seen the accomplishment
of the vote for women, it has seen equal rights for women, and now we are
moving on to see equal rights for gay people. This is inevitable and this is
important and this is the most important revolution of our time. We cannot have
a step backwards by having an amendment to the constitution that discriminates
against people and denies them their rights. The idea that gay marriage is a
threat to heterosexual marriage is preposterous. The problem just doesn't
exist, and better people than I have made that statement and it is really true.
Once we accepted gay people, once we accepted the fact that they can be
teachers, they can be soldiers, they can be part of our community, they can be
bishops, they can be part of us, as I've said, the die was cast, they have to
have equal rights. We have to realize that we have accepted them, that we have
opened our arms to them as a community, that we recognize now that they want to
be part of the community. How in the world can we say that they cannot sanctify
their unions? These people want to step up before God and the tribe, before
their kith and their kin and they want to take vows. This is a good thing and
should be rewarded. Heterosexuals have made a mockery of marriage anyway. They
have done it with rapid-fire divorces in Las Vegas and Mexico, they have done
it with TV shows that focus on marriage as commercial entertainment, they have
done it with no-fault divorce, they have done it with people who get married
three and four and five times, they have done it in every conceivable way. To
act as if heterosexual marriage was some sort of sacrosanct institution that
has not already been weakened from all sides is utterly preposterous and these
gay people are good people. We as Christians, as Jews, as Buddhists, as Hindus,
as Islamic's, we have to open our arms to them, we have to recognize that they
want to be full-fledged members of our community. We have to do this and again
it is part of the civil rights revolution that has been going on for a long
time. We are certainly not going to be able to take backwards steps in this. We
have to realize that what is being done in San Francisco is a laudable thing.
We have to remember the antisegregation days and how people spoke-out against
the segregation laws and did things that became part of history. The same is
happening now with regard to gay marriage and gay rights. It's very
significant."


*applauds* Well said!
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Old 03-10-2004, 10:16 AM   #24
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Purplemuffs sent along her image for resizing and posting.



She and her beau have beautiful eyes.
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Old 03-10-2004, 11:41 AM   #25
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what interested most was Billy's pic. How come that those two guys had two babies? Twins?
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Old 03-10-2004, 06:30 PM   #26
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Hey that's me

In the picture...I'm on the right and my girlfriend/ fiancee Celeste is on the left...half hidden. We are 2 of the new faces of gay marriage!!!
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Old 03-10-2004, 06:41 PM   #27
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Congrats, and good luck.
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Old 03-10-2004, 07:11 PM   #28
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The good part is the happiness, which is right there in the photo, and no-one can deny.
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:20 AM   #29
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The good part is the happiness, which is right there in the photo, and no-one can deny.
Nor should they legislate. Congrats!!
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Old 03-14-2004, 02:02 AM   #30
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I am also intersted on it. Maybe they adopte the Children. It is so bad that the CA would stop the homosex marriege.
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