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Old 01-04-2014, 09:07 AM   #31
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The $1300 HP is comparable to the $2000 Mac, the $2200 HP is comparable to the $2500 Mac. IMO. The Mac advantage is resolution and the PC advantage is compatibility.

HPs break and so do Macs.
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Old 01-04-2014, 10:48 AM   #32
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Also, the numbers on this one are highly swayed by the No-Win8 restriction. Without that, here's a Toshiba for $850 that also has a 1TB hard drive.

A quick glance at some reliability numbers says that Samsung, Toshiba, ASUS and Lenovo are on par with Apple wrt reliability. HP is one tier down, but you never know: they have made entire lines of shitty budget systems that are only sent to Walmart.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:29 AM   #33
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The $1300 HP is comparable to the $2000 Mac,
the $2200 HP is comparable to the $2500 Mac. IMO.
The Mac advantage is resolution and the PC advantage is compatibility.

HPs break and so do Macs.
I realize I don't know the ins an outs of computer repairs and reliability,
and maybe this overview is clouded by particular models (Walmart specials, etc)
But my family's experience with Mac's does fit with this table.
(I'm shifting over to a new Mac now only because I'm getting warnings from various websites
that my OS 10.4.11 and Firefox browser might not going be supported in the future.

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I'll stop my Chev/Ford debate now
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:53 AM   #34
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I give some weight to that report, but this is a measurement of people who decided to use this particular third-party repair service, as opposed to just using AppleCare, some other warranty service, or DIY fixes.

I saw another report that said a good fifth of problems reported are OS-related (i.e., more than likely to be user error or confusion) and another fifth are hard drive (i.e., should be almost equal across all non-SSD systems).

Also, I say again, the Walmart HPs are the shittiest laptops you can find. Walmart shoppers are infinitely more likely to create PEBKAC errors, use their laptops to hold up short table legs, etc. How many of those warranty repairs are for shitboxes, and how many for EliteBooks? Don't know...

My guess is that it's kind of like cars: if you maintain your system, know how to use it, and don't drop it, most comparable systems are going to fail at similar rates. Apple doesn't use magical hard drives and memory in its laptops. They use the same components everyone else does. They even make amateur fan routing mistakes -- and, sadly, fix them via software.
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:23 PM   #35
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...use their laptops to hold up short table legs,...

I hadn't thought of that... I'll try it with my old iMac
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Old 01-04-2014, 05:57 PM   #36
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On my homemade, xp box that was installed in 2007 and never rebuilt, but needs it. Most errors are the id10t kind.Think your getting a bargain at wally, Huh.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:30 PM   #37
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I would never trust HP. They can't even get their servers right. Why expect them to get consumer hardware?

Apple does more handholding with the customers, which is something the PC vendors (and the Microsoft store), don't.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:24 PM   #38
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Four computers in this house in 15 yrs.

Collectively, still under $1500.

Wait, the one cost $800. Still under $2000, though.
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