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Old 11-17-2015, 05:24 PM   #46
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The Gov of Michigan is one of the ringleaders of this witch-hunt.

Imagine how many vacant houses in Detroit could be made into homes by Syrian refugees.
Maybe these refugees would even be willing to fix them up a bit, and pay taxes on them,
and work in the community, and have kids, and join the military, and ... you know,
the same sort of things other refugees have done when given asylum in the US.

( Some might even become Republicans)

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Old 11-17-2015, 06:37 PM   #47
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There was a lot of bitching about the Vietnamese refugees also, because the prolonged war which affected almost everyone. But they had money, and the skills to succeed in a better financial climate.

Syrians, work where? The jobs that allow vacant houses to be rehabbed and pay taxes on the result, have gone to China, Mexico, India. So you bring in refugees with nothing but the shirt on their back, may or may not speak English, then expect them to support themselves and rehab real estate? Lofty goals indeed. There has to be a plan to address those issues if you expect them to integrate and be successful. Otherwise they become destitute and desperate... prime for recruiting by terrorists.

I'm not saying keep them out, I'm saying do it right.
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Old 11-17-2015, 06:58 PM   #48
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Maybe we could get France to pay us refugee support to keep them from going there.
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Old 11-17-2015, 07:14 PM   #49
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Nope, France is blowing all their money doing exactly what ISIS wants.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:33 PM   #50
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Opening a Folies Bergère in Syria?
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:16 PM   #51
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That would add to the circus of their recruitment campaign, I suppose. Speaking of circus, Putin said, their airliner was definitely blown up by a bomb, and unleashed 25 bombers on Syria, all on the opposite side of the country from where ISIS is.
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Old 11-18-2015, 12:34 PM   #52
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,,,But they had money, and the skills to succeed in a better financial climate.

Syrians, work where? ...So you bring in refugees with nothing but the shirt on their back,
may or may not speak English, then expect them to support themselves
and rehab real estate ? Lofty goals indeed. ...

I'm not saying keep them out, I'm saying do it right.
What a bunch of preconceived ideas !
Like learning English is something that refugees have never done before.
Like these particular refugees are unskilled, incapable, and ... latent terrorists.

How much motivation did it take to risk the lives of their children to leave Syria ?
What skills did they need to assemble the $ for passage those boats ?
How did they live in Syria... putting Elephant Leaves over their head when it rained ?

What do you mean by "... do it right" ?
... Maybe we could to build a "Trumph Wall" all the way around our castle.

Sorry be sarcastic, xoB, but your response this time one is xenophobic.
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Old 11-18-2015, 12:58 PM   #53
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... refugees are unskilled, incapable, and ... latent terrorists...
Wow, Lamplighter. This is some of the most disgusting stuff you have ever written.

Our country was built by immigrants. Why do you hate America?
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Old 11-18-2015, 01:05 PM   #54
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That is to say, you have cherry picked parts of Bruce's posts to twist them into something you can argue against, just like I did with my quote of you.

Putting refugees in vacant Detroit houses won't work because the houses are empty for a reason. There are no jobs in Detroit. If we want to absorb refugees, we need to spread them around in multiple locations where they can find work. We need to do it right.
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Old 11-18-2015, 02:40 PM   #55
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Sorry be sarcastic, xoB, but your response this time one is xenophobic.
No it wasn't but yours certainly was. Twisting what I said about doing more than just dumping the refugees, shows a black heart beneath that left liberal persona.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:35 PM   #56
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That is to say, you have cherry picked parts of Bruce's posts
to twist them into something you can argue against, just like I did with my quote of you.

... We need to do it right.
Glatt. Is my bit about using vacant houses in Detroit the only idea presented in my sequence of posts ?
If that is all you got from it, then strike it out.

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The Gov of Michigan is one of the ringleaders of this witch-hunt.

Maybe [they will]…pay taxes and work in the community, and have kids, and join the military, and
... you know, the same sort of things other refugees have done when given asylum in the US.

( Some might even become Republicans)

Diverting a discussion into a throwaway issue (here, it’s jobs in Detroit) is a tactic to delay or re-direct political issues.

I think we are all bright enough around here to get the gist of xoB’s post.
It’s a judgement call as to whether my responding to several of his comments
(i.e.,” nothing but the shirt on their back”, “may not speak English”,
[insufficient skills] “to support themselves”, “prime for recruiting by terrorists” )
amounts to cherry-picking. - - - I don’t believe so.

Even from all this, we still don’t see what is meant by “...do it right “.

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Old 11-18-2015, 04:18 PM   #57
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Series of posts? I responded to one, what you wrote, not what you may have been thinking. I gave valid reasons why it was a bad idea. You could not refute them so you twisted my response and went off in a snit.
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Old 11-18-2015, 04:35 PM   #58
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OK, take all of my twist-lings and cherry-picking and personal-attacks and name-calling out of it.

How should the government "do it right" ?


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Old 11-18-2015, 05:07 PM   #59
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I think we are all bright enough around here to know how the government should do it right.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:53 PM   #60
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Virginia mayor cites Japanese internment camps (favorably) in making case for halting Syrian refugees.
Washington Post -Amber Phillips - November 18

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Twice in one day now, politicians have evoked the powerful memory of
the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to argue about
whether the United States should continue plans to resettle 10,000 Syrian
refugees after the terrorist attacks in Paris.

One politician, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D), pretty eloquently argued
that closing the doors to these Syrian refugees would be a mistake driven
by the same kind of irrational fear that led to the unlawful imprisonment
and stripping of property of U.S. citizens based solely on their ethnic heritage.
But then there are even some Democrats that are running scared.

To Wit: from today's letter of Mayor David A. Browers (Roanoke, VA)
as he requested :
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"...all Roanoke Valley governments and non-governmental agencies
to suspend and delay any further Syrian refugee assistance
until these serious hostilities and atrocities end, or at the very least until
regarded as under control by U.S. authorities, and normalcy is restored.

"I'm reminded that Franklin D. Roosevelt felt compelled to to sequester
Japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of Pearl Harbor,
and it appears that the threat of harm to America from [the Islamic State]
now is just as real and serious a threat as that from our enemies then," he said.
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