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Old 01-01-2014, 09:38 PM   #16
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It's about just using it....

For many years, I built my own systems and used them.

Then I got to the point where I was helping manage a few thousand.

Simplicity is better. Really. Especially with laptops.

Apple's outright nailed it and has for years with the whole package. I've had Apple laptops, iPads, and three iphones in the past ten years, in addition to Dell and Lenovo hardware.

Wireless on anything other than an Apple device has been a PITA. Yes, this included Network Manager on the Ubuntu laptops I had with full Linux support. Windows was an outright nightmare for it until 8. Power management always worked well on Apple devices. Windows has improved, but you need to be on 8.1 with Haswell to get to the same level Apple was at in 2003. Linux is still hit and miss.

I can open an Apple laptop and be working in less than 30 seconds. I cannot say the same for Windows 7, even with an SSD drive. Windows 8 and 8.1 fixed this. Too bad people don't put start menu programs on it. After all, every OEM hacked the crap out of wireless to make it work in previous versions. I didn't see a difference .

When I go into class, the majority of devices are Apple. They just work.
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:38 AM   #17
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:46 AM   #18
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Talking about Apple laptops and not mentioning price is like...

like...

oh I used to be so good at metaphors
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:52 AM   #19
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Talking about Apple laptops and not mentioning price is like...

like...

oh I used to be so good at metaphors
Like saying "let them eat cake"?
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Old 01-02-2014, 11:31 AM   #20
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MacBookPro or What?

What.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:05 PM   #21
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People pay the price Apple laptops because they want to. It's a premium brand, like Starbucks, BMW, or Alienware.

Microsoft is doing a good job of advertising and driving people toward them.

I can buy a $300 Dell Venue tablet at the Microsoft Store with Win8.1 and the ability to run legacy apps or a $700 iPad at the Apple Store. Which one is bereft of people, and which one is full of them?
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:36 PM   #22
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I can buy a $300 Dell Venue tablet at the Microsoft Store with Win8.1 and the ability to run legacy apps or a $700 iPad at the Apple Store. Which one is bereft of people, and which one is full of them?
If the Ford/Chevolet fight must continue...apples and oranges

How is MS Surface doing ?
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:41 PM   #23
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People really hate that Win8 that you love so well.

(I prod the mbpark because I respect him)
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:48 PM   #24
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No, but the point is, any discussion of Apple laptops must include price. The MBPro with retina display is surely the finest laptop you can buy. And if you want a 15" one, you're going to pay at least $2K, when a Dell 15 can be had for $400.

Now if it's an important tool and your career depends on it, yeah awright. A case can be made.

(I'm different, I would go for a Chromebook and really save bux. That's just me though.)
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:19 PM   #25
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I know they hate Win8

UT,

I know it's universally reviled because of the user interface.

Doesn't change that it's the first OS Microsoft put out with working wireless. Unfortunately, the newer OEM HW uses it, and there's no way to go back without crippling the hardware on laptops or tablets. Microsoft has tied the power management to the hardware too much.

Apple is a price premium brand, and people know it.

The people that I deal with use them for work or school. They depend on them heavily. To them it is a smaller opportunity cost than the cost of lost work or classwork. Microsoft has done great advertising for Apple on many fronts.

You or I can deal with a Chromebook, but your average user cannot.
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:02 AM   #26
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I am not an Apple fan; so, even considering buying their laptop was a huge. I'm not sure I care what brand it is as long as it has the components I want and is easy to use.
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:06 PM   #27
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I'm not sure I care what brand it is as long as it has the components I want and is easy to use.
So why is a tablet insufficient?
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:28 AM   #28
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Tablet is not an option. It's far too small. I need a screen that I can do my work on. I'm constantly using the half screen window option with two windows open to do my work. As far as I know, tablets cannot do that. Correct me if I'm wrong but so far Mac has been the only option that users have said will work for me but that it is pricey. So what would be an equivalent option in PC based on what I need that's been stated in previous posts?
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:52 AM   #29
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The link below is a search at newegg.com that restricts the resolution to 1920x1080 and above; uses only Win 7 varieties; and specifies only Core i7.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Home%20Premium

The HP Elitebooks are basically HP trying to copy Apple, with the thin brushed aluminum and light weight.

You may not enjoy The Sims experience on Mac.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:18 AM   #30
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UT, the link you provided has prices that are essentially the same
as Apple's MacBookPro (which seem to be just under $2K)

Since it appears from her postings that she wants to go with Mac's,
what are the advantages you are trading in the same price range with HP's.

Our family's experience with HP's is not good, but I'm willing to say that may just be in our family.
We've had 4 HP's and each one has been in the repair shop after a couple of years.
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