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Old 05-28-2007, 06:11 AM   #1
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Is America Dying?

Their crime is out of control, they are being invaded and do nothing but argue. They are divided ideologically and are over extended with their military.
Are they a doomed nation?
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:14 AM   #2
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We're all doomed duck.

You quack me up sometimes...really...you do.
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:29 AM   #3
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No, we're not dying... we're killing. Want to volunteer, quacker?
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:30 AM   #4
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Their crime is out of control, they are being invaded and do nothing but argue. They are divided ideologically and are over extended with their military. Are they a doomed nation?
And they acknowledge problems openly to the world. How many dead coalminers in China this year? We don't really know. Numbers may be as high as tens of thousands. Before one can solve a problem, first, one must acknowledge that problem. In doomed nations, denial is the first step to disintegration and doom. How many dead coalminers?

Well, China is not a doomed nation. Apparently some in the party want to publize little reported and massively high death rates in coal mines. Same for massive death rates due to air and water pollution. Which is higher? Death from crimes in America's streets? Or dead Chinese miners due to criminal action by coal mine management?

IOW China also is not a doomed nation if smarter Chinese will start exposing their problems so that problems can be solved. Then who is working for whom?

One sign of a doomed nation: workers work for top management. One sign of a successful nation: top management instead works for the workers.

Why does America currently have some serious problems? America's current top government leaders have a communist mentality. Cheney believes we all work for him and that he needs more power. Therefore America is in denial of some major and festering problems.
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Old 05-28-2007, 07:39 AM   #5
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OK, quick poll, who's going to try to take down TW first, China or the U.S.?

The Chinese are getting smarter, they have found a stealthy way to start using the proceeds of a massive trade imbalance to invest in the U.S.. They have 1.2 trillion in foreign reserves, most of it probably U.S. dollars. At any point in time, they could acquire a controlling stake in Blackstone, but they really don't want to.

This is an absolutely fucking brilliant move. Not that we need to have a similar tactic, but I wonder if there is anyone left in our administration smart enough to have come up with something like this.

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China's Blackstone deal may be harbinger

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- China has made a splash by acquiring part of influential private equity group Blackstone, portending a possible wave of stakes in companies as diverse as General Electric, Google or Goldman Sachs.
China's state investment company announced Sunday it would take a $3 billion stake in Blackstone Group LP, ahead of the firm going public in what promises to be the year's largest U.S. initial offering of stock.
The deal is a visible sign of the growing investment muscle that China can wield. China said in March it was creating an investment vehicle to diversify part of its $1.2 trillion in foreign reserves.

The new state agency could invest up to $200 billion from its reserves, state media reports have said, giving China the wherewithal to take on sizable stakes. Its Blackstone interest will be just under 10 percent and is part of a trend, Blackstone co-founder Stephen Schwarzman said, of China's investment plans.

China will learn how to structure and value private equity deals, as well as gaining a network of well connected people, said James Oberweis, president of Oberweis Asset Management Inc., who oversees an $800 million China fund.
"The Blackstone deal is as much about education on how to invest as it is about the actual investment itself," Oberweis said. "From the perspective of Blackstone, what better way to increase your penetration into the fastest-growing, major economy in the world than to have that government invested in you?"

The Blackstone deal is one of the most visible signs of China's growing clout. In 2005, Chinese offshore oil developer CNOOC Ltd. was forced to drop an $18.5 billion takeover bid for Unocal Corp., due largely to stiff U.S. political opposition.
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:08 AM   #6
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And wait, ducky, you said a couple moths ago, you're purpose ISN'T to bash America?

Yeah right.
Btw, Hong Kong sucks!
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Old 05-28-2007, 06:44 PM   #7
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They are following Japans model, Rich.
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:12 PM   #8
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Their crime is out of control, they are being invaded and do nothing but argue. They are divided ideologically and are over extended with their military.
Are they a doomed nation?
As compared to let's say Myamar? or how about Iraq? Ok, ok, how about Lebanon?


Please....
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:16 PM   #9
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People watch too much TV, crime goes down every year. Our violent crime has gone down over 20% in the last fifteen years, our life expectancy goes up every year, we just get better and better... 24 hour news is to blame. People want to see doom and gloom, so they deliver.
We are in great shape and getting better, except for the idiots running the nation right now, but we'll get rid of them soon & get out of Iraq, something we should never have done to begin with.
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:34 PM   #10
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Here, here, my good sir.
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:00 AM   #11
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90% of that crime is in impoverished areas where, sadly, no one seems to care about anyways.

If you really look you will find every country is just like what you said.
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:58 AM   #12
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She won't look. Don't even bother reasoning.
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:16 PM   #13
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And wait, ducky, you said a couple moths ago, you're purpose ISN'T to bash America?

Yeah right.
Btw, Hong Kong sucks!
Jk.
But seriously.
Hong.
Kong.
Sucks.
It seems any criticism of the united states means america bashing to you.
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:18 PM   #14
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As compared to let's say Myamar? or how about Iraq? Ok, ok, how about Lebanon?


Please....
All of your examples are third world dumps. Is that all you can come up with to compare america to?
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:21 PM   #15
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All of your examples are third world dumps.
Who the fuck are you to call other people's home a dump? They are having trouble right now, so what. If it wasn't for United States your pathetic country would be getting fucked in the ass by mainland China so shut up.
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