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Old 12-28-2014, 09:51 PM   #61
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Uguisu-Bari floors? Do you think Big Frankie will take the Cards to the mattresses?
Hot monkey love? Not likely to get reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:46 PM   #62
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Likud so hated peace (the Oslo Accords) as to call for and got the assassination of Rabin. Same may be Pope Francis' risk as (if) a war becomes public. From Crux, a Catholic publication, on 3 Jan 2015
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Catholic liberals in Italy launch petition to back Pope Francis
Pointedly called "Stop the Attacks on Pope Francis", the petition was launched on Christmas Day by groups including "We are Church", "Blessed are the Peacemakers", the Edith Stein Study Center, an Italian association of theologians, and a variety of base communities. All are generally associated with the liberal wing of the Italian Church.

The petition is also signed by the Rev. Luigi Ciotti of Turin, one of Italy's best known anti-Mafia priests, and the Rev. Alex Zanotelli, a Combonian missionary priest and a well-known social activist. ...

According to the petition, which was launched the day after the essay appeared, Messori's critique was a "true declaration of war" and expressed the leading edge of a deeply entrenched anti-Francis backlash.

"The arrival of Francis has provoked frantic reactions with the Vatican Curia, which, decimated by scandals and corruption, considers the pope a foreign body in its systems of alliances with worldly power, fueled by two perverse instruments: money and sex", the petition asserts.

"At first the chatter about a "strange pope" began quietly, but then it became steadily louder and clearer", the petition asserts. ...

Among other things, the petition cites a book issued shortly before last October's Synod of Bishops on the family, in which five cardinals - Gerhard Muller of Germany, the Vatican's doctrinal czar; American Raymond Burke [of St Louis], former head of the Vatican's supreme court; Walter Brandmuller of Germany, and Italians Carlo Caffara and Velasio De Paolis - came out against the idea of allowing divorced and civilly remarried Catholics to receive Communion.
Next month, Cardinal Burke (an extremist promoted by Pope Benedict) was removed from his top (some call ceremonial) position.

Justification for this war was apparent earlier. Voices of the Faithful called for the Church to respond to their parishioner’s expectations. VoF was created because the Church was all but endorsing pedophilia. VoF was, in essence, calling for a church "Magna Carta". So, in 2002, bishops in Oregon, Maine, Camden NJ, Newark, N.J., and Long Island banned Voices of the Faithful from church properties after 25 parishioners in Wellesley MA had a meeting about widespread pedophilia in their Archdiocese. This over response demonstrated how entrenched and disenfranchised Church leadership has become.

Last December, Pope Francis cited 15 diseases that infect the Curia. That tongue lashing and the resulting overt anger is why many church organizations have rallied together. Their petition exposes an impending civil war as people are taking sides. Remaining question - when will knives come out.

Corruption in this church is so widespread that well over 100 pedophiles just from America are protected from justice in Vatican City. Who is protecting these pedophiles? Suspect the most conservative Cardinals in the Curia who avidly consider this doing god’s work.
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Old 01-04-2015, 12:19 AM   #63
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... Remaining question - when will knives come out. ...
Ask Christoph Graf.
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Old 01-04-2015, 10:23 AM   #64
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Justification for this war was apparent earlier. Voices of the Faithful called for the Church to respond to their parishioner’s expectations. VoF was created because the Church was all but endorsing pedophilia. VoF was, in essence, calling for a church "Magna Carta". So, in 2002, bishops in Oregon, Maine, Camden NJ, Newark, N.J., and Long Island banned Voices of the Faithful from church properties after 25 parishioners in Wellesley MA had a meeting about widespread pedophilia in their Archdiocese. This over response demonstrated how entrenched and disenfranchised Church leadership has become.
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It seems to me things are a bit more complicated, at least regarding Oregon's Archbishop John George Vlazny.
On one side, he came to Oregon in 1997, and by 2004 had settled a number of sexual abuse within the Archdiocese.
To wit he announced in 2007:
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“For more than seven years the Archdiocese of Portland has been confronted with claims of child abuse by some of our priests, mostly between 1940 and 1986. By July 6, 2004, we had reached settlements with 140 victims. But on that day we filed for Chapter 11 protection in federal bankruptcy court in order to be able to continue the mission of the church and make an honest effort to compensate all remaining victims as fairly as possible. These have been difficult days for all of us and I am grateful to all our people who have continued to support the mission of the church and collaborate in the effort to resolve this crisis.”
On the other side, he vigorously opposed Oregon's law which provides for assisted suicide, and made his position very public:
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During the 2004 presidential election, Vlazny said Catholic politicians who supported abortion rights, like Democratic nominee John Kerry, should refrain from receiving Communion.
Vlazny's position was very divisive among the Oregon Catholics and the general public.
Archbishop Vlazny resigned in January 2013, being succeeded by Bishop Alexander Sample.
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Old 01-04-2015, 11:52 AM   #65
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That knife was in the hand of Pope Francis.
... ask Dan Anrig
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Old 01-04-2015, 12:35 PM   #66
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That knife was in the hand of Dan Anrig who committed professional suicide with it. That's why I referred tw to Christoph Graf, the likely successor. Reading between the lines you'll find that the Pope does believe in assisted suicide when it comes to careers.
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Old 04-17-2015, 09:59 AM   #67
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Resolution ...

Pope Francis to Cardiinal Levada: Don't mess with the Sisters !

Vatican Ends Battle With U.S. Catholic Nuns’ Group
NY Times = LAURIE GOODSTEIN = APRIL 16, 2015

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The Vatican has abruptly ended its takeover of the main leadership group of American nuns
two years earlier than expected, allowing Pope Francis to put to rest a confrontation started by
his predecessor that created an uproar among American Catholics who had rallied to the sisters’ defense.
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Ending the standoff with the nuns is one of several course corrections that Francis has set in motion.
He has also worked on reforming the Vatican Curia, the Vatican’s central administration,
instituting tighter oversight of Vatican finances, and has created a commission
to deal with sexual abuse by clergy members.
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On Thursday, that included calling an unexpected meeting with four of the leaders
of the Leadership Conference. The four women were photographed in his office and
said afterward in a statement that they were “deeply heartened” by Francis’
“expression of appreciation” for the lives and ministry of Catholic sisters.

“He met with them himself for almost an hour, and that’s an extravagant amount of papal time,”
said Eileen Burke-Sullivan, a theologian and consultant for women’s religious orders and
vice provost for mission and ministry at Creighton University, a Jesuit school in Omaha.

“It’s about as close to an apology, I would think, as the Catholic Church is officially going to render.”

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