The Cellar  

Go Back   The Cellar > Main > Politics

Politics Where we learn not to think less of others who don't share our views

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-25-2012, 06:34 PM   #16
tw
Read? I only know how to write.
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,933
Gerald Ford suffered from the same problem. Richard Nixon. Nixon intentionally created economic malaise in 1968 and 1970. Wasting human life and spending money we did not have because (as tapes between he and Kissinger demonstrate), Nixon did not want to lose a war on his watch.

Economic destruction causes massive unemployment that could only be solved by punishing all Americans with diminished standards of living. And by selling off major American assets. But Gerald Ford was not willing to drive interest rates up towards 20%. Carter (and Volker) did that. Therefore the economy and jobs finally returned in the mid- 1980s. That type of economic destruction takes that long to fix.

Those same economic lessons apply today. Obama must do what only Reagan was able to accomplish.
tw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2012, 07:45 AM   #17
infinite monkey
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 13,002
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter View Post
IM, great User Title
Thanks! I can't take credit though, I read it on a CNN online comment.
infinite monkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2012, 08:45 AM   #18
Lamplighter
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods
Posts: 6,402
It's the thought that counts.
Lamplighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2012, 09:07 AM   #19
BigV
Goon Squad Leader
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Seattle
Posts: 27,063
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
huh? Who is gonna beat O?
Name:  tic-tac-toe1.jpg
Views: 138
Size:  44.0 KB
__________________
Be Just and Fear Not.
BigV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2012, 09:41 AM   #20
bbuilder
Sibling of the Commonweal
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: rural Ohio
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter View Post
I've always felt sorry for Carter... so many things were out of his control.
Iran hostages, Oil embargo, S&L crisis, gas prices doubled, 3-mile island.
And so... unemployment and interest rates went up.

Reagan had nothing except and movie-star smile and 2 lines:
"There you go again" and "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago"



.
That second quote is exactly what I was thinking just now. Brilliant.
bbuilder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2012, 10:18 PM   #21
Urbane Guerrilla
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 6,674
Quote:
Originally Posted by tw View Post
Congressmen promoted by Limbaugh, et al were told to make America fail so that Obama would fail. That has been the Congressional mandate especially this last two years.
This statement encapsulates why you are so abysmally incapable of politics, tw. You're wrapped up very tightly in wacko extremist theories, and your opinions aren't normal, neutral, nor natural. They are conspiracist, and Michael Schermer's work apparently has altogether escaped you.

When you reject and break and reverse ObamaThink, discouraging the Democrats and their like-thinkers on the Republican side of the aisle, you have saved the Republic. Otherwise, it's the making of the Socialist Oligarchy, and nobody of sense ever wanted that for a nanosecond. I come up to that excellent standard.

Quote:
Nixon intentionally created economic malaise in 1968 and 1970. Wasting human life and spending money we did not have because (as tapes between he and Kissinger demonstrate), Nixon did not want to lose a war on his watch.
Hmm. I seem to recall balanced budgets on the Nixon watch too.

In Tw World, the Communists never come in for their share of the credit, particularly in the wasting human life end of things. Not once. He misses one hundred and twenty million untimely deaths -- tells you how abominable tw's socialist biases really are, how profoundly he longs for the halcyon days of Josef Stalin and a genocide for every other Five Year Plan. Needs his nose beaten flat with a rolled-up National Review. And an enema.
__________________
Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 01-27-2012 at 10:29 PM.
Urbane Guerrilla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2012, 09:15 AM   #22
Urbane Guerrilla
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 6,674
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

This regrettable point of view runs through all of tw's thinking, and he'd like me to adopt it. He'd feel better in his -- lapsed -- condition if I did. He consistently champions it, and opposes and criticizes those who are otherwise in the head and heart -- calls 'em cannon-fodder and puppets and so forth. Unfortunately for tw's ill-founded moral self-estimation, I have better ideas than that. His badness torments him -- and I help. He could perhaps have had something else, something better. But nooooope. Now that Radar's taken off, tw's is the #1 miswired psyche in the Cellar.
__________________
Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.
Urbane Guerrilla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2012, 06:07 AM   #23
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
FACT CHECK: Obama pushes plans that flopped before


Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) - It was a wish list, not a to-do list.
President Barack Obama laid out an array of plans in his State of the Union speech as if his hands weren't so tied by political realities. There can be little more than wishful thinking behind his call to end oil industry subsidies - something he could not get through a Democratic Congress, much less today's divided Congress, much less in this election year.
And there was more recycling, in an even more forbidding climate than when the ideas were new: He pushed for an immigration overhaul that he couldn't get past Democrats, permanent college tuition tax credits that he asked for a year ago, and familiar discouragements for companies that move overseas.
A look at Obama's rhetoric Tuesday night and how it fits with the facts and political circumstances:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120125/D9SFO48G0.html
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2012, 11:21 AM   #24
SamIam
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Not here
Posts: 2,655
Merc, only you could blame the President for the (in)actions of the Republicans in Congress. You're stretching it there, pal.
SamIam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 09:04 AM   #25
Lamplighter
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods
Posts: 6,402
Obama said:
Quote:
It’s good to remember the fact that there were some folks who were willing to let this industry die.
Bloomberg
Paula Dwyer
Jan 19, 2012
GM Back on Top Among the World's Automakers: The Ticker
Quote:
Attention taxpayers: Pat yourself on the back.
General Motors Co., one-third of whose shares are owned by you,
sold 9,025,942 vehicles last year, up 7.6 percent from 2010.

No more excuses...

No more excuses

The accomplishment is probably enough to restore GM's place as the king of automakers.
And it's only been two years since you bailed the company out -- to the tune of $50 billion.
NY Times
By Jerry Hirsch
February 1, 2012, 5:53 a.m.

Chrysler earns first annual profit in more than a decade
Quote:
Chrysler Group earned its first annual profit as an independent company since 1997,
a sign that the Detroit automaker is recovering from its bankruptcy
reorganization and the conflicting strategies of its recent owners.

<snip>
Since emerging from bankruptcy in 2009, Chrysler has spent about $4.5 billion
on its factories and facilities in the U.S. and Canada and added about 9,400 jobs
after a period of steep employment reductions.
It now employs more than 57,000 workers.
<snip>
The company also is building up its cash.
Chrysler had $9.6 billion at year-end, up from $7.3 billion from a year earlier.
In May, the reorganized Chrysler paid $9.2 billion to retire $6.7 billion in loans
and interest owed to the U.S. and Canadian governments.
The payments hurt the company's financial results.
Its net income was reduced by a $551-million loss on the extinguishing of the debt.
No more excuses...
Lamplighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 09:40 AM   #26
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 10:14 AM   #27
Lamplighter
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods
Posts: 6,402
Here are a few responses to Obama's State of the Union
by CATO INSTITUTE spokesman, DJ Ikenson,
in the first couple of minutes of Classic's link above.

@0:49 - "...Ford, Honda, Toyota... the other U.S. companies could have reaped the benefits of GM's death"

@0:59 - "A million jobs were never at stake"

@1:38 - "First of all, manufacturing never left. There's no need to be manufacturing back"

@1.51 -" It not the responsibility of business to create jobs in the United States
The responsibility of business is to their shareholders"

I'm sure other viewers can find more examples of the CATO mind set.
Lamplighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 10:49 AM   #28
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
But did you enjoy the listen?
I intentionally didn't comment & just posted the video.
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 10:57 AM   #29
Lamplighter
Person who doesn't update the user title
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods
Posts: 6,402
I stopped at the 2 minute mark - the CATO mind set is not new to me.
Lamplighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2012, 11:30 AM   #30
classicman
barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy.
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 23,401
Damn, I thought you and your nice clean coffee cup would enjoy a little relaxing listen.
__________________
"like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt
classicman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:05 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.