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Old 12-07-2012, 07:45 AM   #46
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The spending cut i would believe from the Democrats, is the bill they pass in Congress, and give to the President to be signed into law - and the President signs it. That's the Democrats' spending cuts that I'll believe.
See the Budget Control Act of 2011 signed by President Obama and voted for by 95 Democrats in the House and by 45 Democrats in the Senate. That's a majority of Democrats in Congress.

These are the default budget cuts required by law, and the only way they won't occur is if Congress agrees to do something else. We're talking about up to $1.2 Trillion in cuts through 2021. Brought to you by the Democrats (and Republicans.)

How does this simple fact fit in your delusional worldview? Is it like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole?

"NOT ONE PENNY"

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Old 12-07-2012, 10:39 AM   #47
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glatt, thank you for that succinct reply.

Adak, in response to your question to me, I await your response to glatt's clear statement refuting your claim that there've been no spending cuts.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:47 AM   #48
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Like Bugs Bunny, you will see Donald Duck and his friend Little Lulu walking down an ordinary street. Then Yosemite Sam takes 50 bucks away from Wile E Coyote and THEN how will he buy ACME products, inevitably causing 3000 employees to lose their jobs, resulting in a collapse in The Hundred Acres Wood.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHY? DO YOU? DO YOU?

Freaking DEMOCRATS, that's why, you fool.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:43 PM   #49
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We've secretly replaced Adak's copyist with infinite monkey. Let's see if he notices.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:30 PM   #50
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During (fill in the blank) 's presidency, the Democrats promised spending cuts, if (blank) would approve some tax hikes - he did. Those promised spending cuts were never passed for him to sign.
You know, Adak, your belief system may work just fine for the Rush Limbaugh born again crowd, but when you trot it out in the real world, it fails you abysmally. What part of bills signed into law don’t you understand? Congress (which just so happens to include the Democrats) has been using cuts in discretionary spending in an attempt to reduce the deficit for quite some time now. I’ll give you just one example – housing assistance:

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To address projected budget deficits, the President and Congress in recent years have relied almost entirely on cuts to discretionary programs. First, they enacted funding legislation for fiscal year 2011 that cut discretionary funding below the 2010 level. Soon thereafter, they enacted the BCA that, as noted above, set ten-year binding “caps” on total budget authority for discretionary programs.

Figure 2 shows the impact to date on housing assistance and community development programs. From 2010 to 2012, funding for housing assistance fell by $2.5 billion, or 5.9 percent just in “nominal terms” — i.e., not counting the additional losses due to the effects of inflation — while funds for community development programs fell by $1.5 billion, or 24 percent. Policymakers cut funds for public housing and housing and community development block grant programs most sharply.
This glimpse of reality is provided by the NON PARTISEN Center for Budget and Policy Priorities – not MSNBC, not some populist blog, and not from the communist party. You might try stepping outside your comfort zone some time and try getting your information from a source other than Tea Party propaganda. That noise on the roof is not Santa’s reindeer or Charlie Brown’s football. It’s the sound of a wake-up call for the Republican Party. Is there any intelligent life in there?

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questions I'd love to have a Democrat answer:

1) What part of "The overspending has to stop", do you not understand? We're talking about a TRILLION dollars plus, per year.


2) What part of doing the wrong thing, do you want to compromise with?
What part of the need for a reasonable tax code don’t you understand? Why do you and your Tea Party buddies think it’s perfectly fine to hold the entire country hostage for the sake of a few millionaires? What makes you think that the Republicans can continue to cover up a poor motive with doublespeak such as “entitlements,” “small business,” and “job creators,” to name just a few.

It’s time to leave behind the doctrine of the world according to Fox along with its vocabulary. Let’s get honest for once. How about:

“Big corporations, which continue to outsource American jobs overseas, demand that the middle class relinquish its EARNED BENEFITS and give the taxes from their hard earned pay checks to special interests which couldn’t care less about this country or its people.”

Please respond with something other than dogma. If I want to take everything on faith, I’ll join the Branch Davidians.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:01 PM   #51
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While Adak has escaped off into some delusional fantasy land and is busy scribbling “Who is John Galt” on the wall in the men’s room, the real world marches on, and the Republicans still retain first place honors in the bizarre humor competition.

Yesterday, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell actually stood up and filibustered his own bill.

Wait...

What?

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Lawrence O'Donnell slammed Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell for filibustering his own bill on Thursday.
McConnell's attempt to embarrass Senate Democrats backfired when he proposed a vote on legislation that would increase the national debt ceiling. Senate majority leader Harry Reid called his bluff and agreed to move forward with the offer. McConnell then objected, arguing that sixty votes — the number required to end a filibuster and go to a vote — were necessary.

Speaking on MSNBC later that day, O'Donnell said that the stunt was "the most idiotic thing any minority leader has ever done on the Senate floor." After recounting how it unfolded, O'Donnell said that the event was remarkable for two reasons.

"One: a minority leader who has introduced a bill and asked for a vote, then opposing proceeding to a vote on his bill saying his bill should be subjected to the filibuster breaking vote threshold of 60 votes," O'Donnell said.

He continued, "And miracle number two was that the presiding officer, played that hour by Sen. Claire McCaskill... she actually comments on what has just happened instead of simply issuing the normal to and three word traffic directions that the presiding officer is limited to." O'Donnell was referring to what he called McCaskill's reaction to the exchange between McConnell and Reid. She snapped to attention and said, "Got whiplash."
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:08 AM   #52
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See the Budget Control Act of 2011 signed by President Obama and voted for by 95 Democrats in the House and by 45 Democrats in the Senate. That's a majority of Democrats in Congress.

These are the default budget cuts required by law, and the only way they won't occur is if Congress agrees to do something else. We're talking about up to $1.2 Trillion in cuts through 2021. Brought to you by the Democrats (and Republicans.)

How does this simple fact fit in your delusional worldview? Is it like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole?

"NOT ONE PENNY"
Ha! What fun!

These are cuts, which if they are activated, will be cuts in PROJECTED and /or FUTURE spending. NOTHING HAS BEEN CUT FROM CURRENT SPENDING YET!

NOT ONE PENNEY!


These are the sad facts - always a trial for liberals to look at, but give it a try.

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Do you see any reduction in our National Debt projections?

NO.


Do you notice any reduction in our National Deficit projections? Yes. That means we'll have higher tax revenues - and if it happens, it won't just be on the rich. They don't have THAT much money.

True, it MIGHT be reduced, but all it seems we'll have right now, is a slower growth to our National Debt.

And despite all the hot air and hand waving going on in Washington, (where Today, the Speaker of the House said there was no progress in the negotiations with the White House, because the White House has never negotiated on any issue, so far.)

I hope this fiscal cliff actually works, when and if we get to that point.

Politicians LOVE to spend our money. It buys them votes, by attracting donors to their campaigns, when they do it. Not just the Democrats, either. EVERY politician wants to be re-elected several times, and they need to curry favor to get their campaign coffers $stu$$ed$ to overflowing.

It's not THEIR money, why NOT use it to help themselves get re-elected?

"You want a new bridge to nowhere?"
"Sure, here's a few million for ya!"

"You want a new airport?" "Absolutely! We'll call it an anti terrorist auxiliary civil defense resource!"

Lovely!

I am writing about ACTUAL cuts in CURRENT spending, not something projected, like Wimpy's repayment on his hamburgers, "Next Tuesday".

And right now, there has been $0.00 dollars cut in actual spending.

NOT ONE PENNEY!

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Old 12-08-2012, 05:28 AM   #53
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“Big corporations, which continue to outsource American jobs overseas, demand that the middle class relinquish its EARNED BENEFITS and give the taxes from their hard earned pay checks to special interests which couldn’t care less about this country or its people.”

Please respond with something other than dogma. If I want to take everything on faith, I’ll join the Branch Davidians.
Oh, you should join 'em, Sam! Waco, Texas is looking for a few new head cases, I've heard.

You DO understand that it was OUR DEAR POLITICIANS, who have made outsourcing our jobs overseas, necessary if you want to stay in business, don't you?

Apple is bringing back a few jobs, but by and large, if you wanted to compete, you had no choice but to open a plant overseas.

It wasn't the businessman's choice - it was the dear sweet politicians, who made it a necessity. But who gets blamed for it? Why the dirty evil businessman - why can't he compete with nationalized "slaves" working for $2-$10 per DAY?

The nerve of those businessmen!!

When it comes to Tax code reform, Sam - you are preaching to the choir!

Our tax code is an utter mess, with thousands of loopholes, grants, exclusions, you name it - it's got it.

Any sense of fairness went out the window, long long ago.

Reagan was the last guy who cut our tax code down to size.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:39 AM   #54
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And despite all the hot air and hand waving going on in Washington, (where Today, the Speaker of the House said there was no progress in the negotiations with the White House, because the White House has never negotiated on any issue, so far.
sure, except that's the exact opposite of reality. On every major issue so far, the left has compromised much further than the right.

Oh, wait, i forgot, they aren't ~real conservatives~ like you so they don't count.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:45 AM   #55
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If the Democrats bent any further in their negotiations they'd be hairpin shaped.

The tea-party influence in the republican negotiations has meant absolute heel digging and a refusal to consider any compromises.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:13 AM   #56
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Dear Adak,

Please learn to spell 'penny.'

Sincerely,

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Old 12-08-2012, 06:16 AM   #57
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Oh, you should join 'em, Sam! Waco, Texas is looking for a few new head cases, I've heard.
Interesting idea. However, upon reflection, I think Texas is best left to the Texans. If the weather co-operates, I may just go set up a winter camp for a few days somewhere near Island In the Sky National Park over in Utah.

No CNN, no Internet, no newspapers, no pointless arguments with strangers. Just me and my Corgi and the incredible landscapes along with clear desert nights where the sky is filled with more stars than many people ever get to see. Yeah, I'd like that. Going to go if I can.

You're actually better at arguing science than you are political issues, and that's pretty pathetic. You must think we're so stupid that we don't even know the difference between the national debt and the deficit. Sorry, you tried to sneak that one past the wrong crowd.

Maybe Glatt will explain it to you if you ask him nicely. I'm done wasting my time.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:10 AM   #58
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On the bright side we have 25 more full days to count down Obama's willingness to reduce his current mad spending spree.

25 days to go. Amount Obama and the Democrats are willing to cut current spending: 0.00%
Obama and the Democrats have spent 4 years cutting programs and taxes. The increased spending was all to save big business, jobs, and fix what the republicans broke.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:23 PM   #59
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sure, except that's the exact opposite of reality. On every major issue so far, the left has compromised much further than the right.

Oh, wait, i forgot, they aren't ~real conservatives~ like you so they don't count.

I would like you to name a few big items that the left has compromised on more than the conservatives:

Counterpoint:

1) Cut the spending. I don't mean as a percent above the current spending (which they are calling now "the baseline"). I'm talking about cutting ACTUAL current spending.

2) Obama care

3) military strength (we now have less than half the number of ships we had in the peak 1980's), for one example.

4) Gun ownership and/or right to carry.

5) Federal tax code littered with exclusions, exemptions, and both intentional and unintentional loopholes.

6) Trade treaties that force our businesses to go overseas to use cheap, almost slave labor, in order to stay competitive.

7) Paying Egypt 400 Million dollars per year in "Foreign Aid", for bribe money. Lots of other countries get this kind of aid, as well.

8) Bring our sons and daughters home from most (not all), of these overseas military bases.

We don't need to protect Japan any more - they should take over their own defense. Same with South Korea - they have a HUGE economy, and a very effective military (if rather small imo). We need to be watching the DMZ between N and S Korea for 62 years, like we need another hole in our heads.

We don't need to protect West Germany anymore. The East Germans have promised not to attack!

Overall, the only thing the Conservatives got in the last two presidents' terms has been the Bush tax cuts - and if there is ONE single new bill that benefits more working Americans than a broad reduction in income tax, I don't know what it would be.

That's a winner for everyone, if it applies to everyone.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:37 PM   #60
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Obama and the Democrats have spent 4 years cutting programs and taxes. The increased spending was all to save big business, jobs, and fix what the republicans broke.
No, definitely not. Obama has increased the Federal gov't personnel by several thousands of gov't workers since taking office.

I agree that the Republicans AND the Democrats both were flagrantly stupid in pandering to "home ownership for everyone", and the "casino" type investment banking that Wall St. has been doing.

I will point out that it was Barney Franks (Democrat) who testified to Congress that the FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC loan program was in "excellent health", in June of '08, and did NOTHING to stop it from going bankrupt in the next six months.

Yes, some big investments by the Feds were probably needed, just to help calm the nerves of the many people affected by the crash of '08.

You have to understand that, as our Debt climbs closer to 100% of our GDP, our leaders feel compelled to do more risky things to keep us fiscally moving forward. We can't keep walking barefoot across the broken glass, and not expect the occasional cut.
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