I found out today

[TheMercenary]

That our local medical center is delivering 50 illegal alien mothers babie's a month. Guess who is paying for each and everyone one of those? You.

[Trilby]

yes, but at least the babies are U.S. citizens!!

[elSicomoro]

How did you find out about this?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sycamore

How did you find out about this?

From an OBGYN surgeon who works there.

[deadbeater]

So what? We pay poor people to give birth too. Want to deny those babies citizenship too?

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That our local medical center is delivering 50 illegal alien mothers babie's a month.

So much implied hate of babies who are American citizens. Implies: their parents are aliens; therefore their parents do not pay their bills. Why not just call them 'nigers'? Sounds just like the deep south hate from the 1950s.

If you have a point, then first post facts - such as testimony from the OBGYN who says they never pay their bills. Those missing facts are typically of propaganda intended only to promote hate - of America's newest citizens.

Let's see. Who are the most productive Americans? Those born to parents and grandparents who were born elsewhere. Good to hear America has 50 'more promising investments' in America's future.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by deadbeater

So what? We pay poor people to give birth too. Want to deny those babies citizenship too?

Who said anything about denying citizenship to their babies. The law allows it. The problem is the illegals hosing our system when we could be spending money on for the legal citizens who are poor. Send the illegals home or make them get documentation and force them to pay taxes.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

If you have a point, then first post facts -

I did, right here:
http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p=433992&postcount=1

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Implies: their parents are aliens; therefore their parents do not pay their bills. Why not just call them 'nigers'? Sounds just like the deep south hate from the 1950s.

They don't pay their bills, we do, through tax and higher costs when you go to the hospital. Your bag of IV fluid that costs the hospital $8 is charged to you for $250.

I would not call them niggers, wet backs, or any other term like that because it is personally offensive. I call them what they are, illegal aliens.

[elSicomoro]

So...you have a supposed fact. Not that your source isn't reliable, but it's not like it's right in front of you. Anyway...you have this supposed fact...what do you think should be done in this particular situation (not in general, as you've already stated your thoughts on that)?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sycamore

So...you have a supposed fact. Not that your source isn't reliable, but it's not like it's right in front of you. Anyway...you have this supposed fact...what do you think should be done in this particular situation (not in general, as you've already stated your thoughts on that)?

I don't know. It is a question often discussed in the circles I run. I would love to ship them all home when they hit about the 8th month but it really would not be a good natured thing to do. The problem needs to be addressed on a larger scale because we are paying for it and it is drying up our resources. Maybe we should make the country of origin pay for it. Take there cash right out of the bank. I really do not know. Honest.

My opinion is that we need to close the borders up tight before any action in the country to deal with illegal immigration is attempted. Even if only for a temporary time period.

[tw]

If I remember what she said; MIT's president said 7% of America students are foreigners. At MIT, the audience was asked to raise their hands if they were born outside the US. 25% of hands went up. They were asked to keep their hands up. Those whose parents were not born in America were asked to raise hands. Something exceeding 50% of the hands. Those whose grandparent was not born in America. Something less than 100% had hands raised. Guess who are America's greatest patriots? Did they get to MIT due to the same government welfare that TheMercenary complains about? Where the best American patriots are located, the vast majority are third generation immigrants or earlier.

How to make America greater? We need more immigrants. We need less of those who fear America's greatest source of innovation. What defines the most patriotic Americans? They innovate. Hate of immigrants therefore would be anti-American.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My opinion is that we need to close the borders up tight before any action in the country to deal with illegal immigration is attempted.

American agriculture needs 1.8 million immigrants. So we only offer 20,000 work permits. Then when 1.8million must be illegal to do the work we need done, instead, we blame the workers?

Reason we have massive illegal immigration are laws that make it necessary for immigrants to be illegal. Eliminate the stupid laws and intentional restrictions - the immigrants come here legally.

A friend asked me to help him with an immigration form necessary to stay and work here. The form was so poorly worded (same concept never described by the same word even twice) that I could not understand what was supposed to be written in about one half the blanks. He had to take this simple form to an immigration attorney for $400.

Even the internet instructions said to call a phone number; could not provide any instructions. Just another example of why American regulations make it necessary to be illegal. Most every form required a lawyer - and hundreds of dollars. Just another problem ignored by those who promote fear of immigrants.

We don't have an illegal immigration problem. We have problems that 'those who fear' ignore - assuming they even understand the real problem.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

If I remember what she said; MIT's president said 7% of America students are foreigners. At MIT, the audience was asked to raise their hands if they were born outside the US. 25% of hands went up. They were asked to keep their hands up. Those whose parents were not born in America were asked to raise hands. Something exceeding 50% of the hands. Those whose grandparent was not born in America. Something less than 100% had hands raised. Guess who are America's greatest patriots? Did they get to MIT due to the same government welfare that TheMercenary complains about? Where the best American patriots are located, the vast majority are third generation immigrants or earlier.

How to make America greater? We need more immigrants. We need less of those who fear America's greatest source of innovation. What defines the most patriotic Americans? They innovate. Hate of immigrants therefore would be anti-American.

It isn't about foreigners idiot. It is about people who are in this country breaking our laws by being here. I fully expect and welcome anyone who would like to come here and follow the rules to citizenship or enter legally. We need them and should welcome them. We need a strong registered migrant worker program. Fuck everyone else who comes here illegally. Send them home and make them re-apply. It will be painful but we need to start somewhere. Time to deal with the issue on a national level. I have no hate of legal immigration.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It isn't about foreigners idiot.

Idoit? You want to discuss logically or will you again let your penis talk for you. Words of insult are used by those who have no logical grasp. It asks, "What are you grasping as you write your posts." No wonder your posts contain so much hate. Relax. Stop squeezing it.

Your right. It's not about foreigners. Its about the source of your hate and eyes that overtly ignore why America needs so many illegal immigrants.