Do you trust Diebold to elect our President?

Flint · 08-15-2008, 09:06 AM

Have we really got the glitches worked out of this electronic voting thing?

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Thursday, August 07, 2008

DAYTON — Four area county boards of elections are parties to a breach-of-contract lawsuit counterclaim filed by the Ohio Secretary of State on Wednesday, Aug. 6, against the maker of touch-screen electronic voting machines.
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All four local counties found Premier's tabulation software failed to upload votes from memory cards, while equipment indicated the votes had been counted.

The best part:

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Premier spokesman Chris Riggall had not seen the counterclaim and declined comment on it. But he blamed the vote tabulation problems on McAfee anti-virus software on computer servers.

Which brings me to this analysis of the situation: You're doing it wrong!

BigV · 08-15-2008, 10:11 AM

B -- That is funny as hell.

A -- The myriad ways for this to go wrong are *uncountable* (rimshot). Why the obdurate resistance to a PAPER TRAIL is ... beyond my comprehension. We trust ATMs to conduct a transaction (with a small number of errors per many transactions), but the receipt at the end is our (depositor/voter) assurance that the machine did what we want. Why can't I get a receipt of my voting record? Hmm?

lookout123 · 08-15-2008, 10:18 AM

sometimes i trust faulty machinery more than The People, so...

Griff · 08-15-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

sometimes i trust faulty machinery more than The People, so...

That appears to be the GOP's plan.

regular.joe · 08-15-2008, 02:04 PM

The electoral college is using these machines? I think they still have to deliver their votes to congress in sealed envelopes.

BigV · 08-15-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

The electoral college is using these machines? I think they still have to deliver their votes to congress in sealed envelopes.

Of course not.

This erosion of confidence is much further upstream. But you knew that.

TheMercenary · 08-16-2008, 09:22 AM

This is for all you sore losers who felt the Diebold or some other shadowy organization threw the presidential elections.

Elspode · 08-16-2008, 09:44 PM

I trust Diebold to do what any good American business would do, and that is to make sure that whoever comes up with the most money wins.

Happy Monkey · 08-17-2008, 07:38 PM

Diebold

BigV · 08-21-2008, 12:19 PM

Bwaahahahahahahahaha!

States rush to dump touchscreen voting machines

...The makers of the machines have offered to buy back the $5000 machines for $1 each... hahahahahahah

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Last year, Ohio produced a 1,000-page report cataloging a host of problems with the state's voting machines. Since then, a glitch blamed on conflicts with anti-virus software initially caused hundred of votes to be dropped as they were uploaded to tallying servers.

Sooo funny! They even quote the same comic as HM.. brilliant.

Elspode · 08-21-2008, 07:04 PM

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Since then, a glitch blamed on conflicts with anti-virus software initially caused hundred of votes to be dropped as they were uploaded to tallying servers.

Typical. Here McAfee was doing its job, dumping votes for the wrong candidates, and everybody gets upset.

richlevy · 08-21-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

Bwaahahahahahahahaha!

States rush to dump touchscreen voting machines

...The makers of the machines have offered to buy back the $5000 machines for $1 each... hahahahahahah

Sooo funny! They even quote the same comic as HM.. brilliant.

I love this part.

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Of course, finding a buyer for thousands of bulky machines that have been judged buggy and insecure may not be so easy. AP reports that some states have resorted to peddling the devices on sites like eBay or Craigslist, while others are hoping to unload them on developing nations.

Maybe the one thing we got right in Iraq was purple fingers and paper ballots.

Crimson Ghost · 08-21-2008, 09:27 PM

Do I trust Diebold to elect our President?

I don't trust our President to sit the right way on the toilet.

smoothmoniker · 08-25-2008, 01:08 PM

What would make you trust electronic voting? Paper receipts? Open source code?

Serious question. This seems to be the inevitable progression of voting technology, we should start figuring out what parameters we want to insist on for the boxes that do the counting.

Paper receipts don't inspire much confidence in me. Maybe because I doubt that enough people would hang on to them to make it useful in case of glitches (intended or otherwise).

Open source code would make me much, much more confident. Open up the machines to the millions of knowledgeable eyes that gave us linux & such, and let them sift it with a fine-toothed comb. The bad people already know how the make the machines do bad things. Open source accountability will force the people in charge to fix the problems.

It's the modern equivalent of having Jimmy Carter sit over your shoulder while you count ballots.

Clodfobble · 08-25-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Paper receipts don't inspire much confidence in me. Maybe because I doubt that enough people would hang on to them to make it useful in case of glitches (intended or otherwise).

I was always under the impression that paper receipts would be put into a box at the polling station, just like standard paper ballots, to be brought out and counted only if there was a dispute.

08-15-2008, 10:11 AM	#2
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	B -- That is funny as hell. A -- The myriad ways for this to go wrong are uncountable (rimshot). Why the obdurate resistance to a PAPER TRAIL is ... beyond my comprehension. We trust ATMs to conduct a transaction (with a small number of errors per many transactions), but the receipt at the end is our (depositor/voter) assurance that the machine did what we want. Why can't I get a receipt of my voting record? Hmm? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

08-15-2008, 10:18 AM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	sometimes i trust faulty machinery more than The People, so... __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-15-2008, 02:04 PM	#5
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	The electoral college is using these machines? I think they still have to deliver their votes to congress in sealed envelopes. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

08-16-2008, 09:22 AM	#7
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	This is for all you sore losers who felt the Diebold or some other shadowy organization threw the presidential elections. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-16-2008, 09:44 PM	#8
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I trust Diebold to do what any good American business would do, and that is to make sure that whoever comes up with the most money wins. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-17-2008, 07:38 PM	#9
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Diebold __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-21-2008, 09:27 PM	#13
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08-25-2008, 01:08 PM	#14
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	What would make you trust electronic voting? Paper receipts? Open source code? Serious question. This seems to be the inevitable progression of voting technology, we should start figuring out what parameters we want to insist on for the boxes that do the counting. Paper receipts don't inspire much confidence in me. Maybe because I doubt that enough people would hang on to them to make it useful in case of glitches (intended or otherwise). Open source code would make me much, much more confident. Open up the machines to the millions of knowledgeable eyes that gave us linux & such, and let them sift it with a fine-toothed comb. The bad people already know how the make the machines do bad things. Open source accountability will force the people in charge to fix the problems. It's the modern equivalent of having Jimmy Carter sit over your shoulder while you count ballots. __________________ to live and die in LA

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