America defeated in Iraqi war

[Undertoad]

Iraq's information minister is not an isolated case of bizarre denial. Here's what the Iraqi ambassador to Egypt said:

"Iraq will not be defeated" in the war, Ambassador Mohsen Khalil told a news conference in Egypt. "Iraq has now already achieved victory -- apart from some technicalities."

Khalil said Israel forced America to attack Iraq because the Jewish state "regards Iraq as a major power in the Arab world."

Yes, just a few technicalities, such as Republican guards who find that whipping off their uniforms and diving into the river is a better fate than keeping their uniforms on and being flung into the river by artillery fire. Minor details, like leaders whose flesh and bones have been compressed into a fine paste by 8000 pounds of JDAM.

It goes back to the shame culture again. The Arabic world's culture reinforces a kind of denial that requires them to lie. Failure is impossible; success is predestined by Allah; if enough people believe it then it is true, and if people think it is false then it IS false.

The info minister is not engaging in propaganda. He's reflecting how they operate.

You can see this same thinking in operation in the American KKK, the British National Front, and other, similar organizations, because part of this style of thinking is finding reasons for your own failure that are outside your own circle. If we are poor, they think, it's because the immigrants stole all the jobs. We are superior, and if it looks like someone else is winning, it's because they are sneaky and play dirty.

Hear that very same voice in the ambassador: We are winning, obviously. But just in case we are not, it's because of the sneaky, dirty Jews.

[smoothmoniker]

do you think there is any impending sense of doom in the back of these guys' minds? For the past three weeks or so, the Info Minister has been the only public face of the administration. I'm thinking that if the street fighting turns into mass chaos, there's got to be a fairly large contingent of the "huddled masses" in baghdad looking for that guy's mug.

Why stick around? What could motivate this guy to make obvious fabrications in the face of a crumbling regime? at what point do the scales tip and the guy pulls his stakes up and moves his tent to Syria? or Toures?

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by smoothmoniker
at what point do the scales tip and the guy pulls his stakes up and moves his tent to Syria? or Toures?

Or Palm Springs?

Heh.

Okay. Think about what will be done to him if he <b>doesn't</b> follow Saddam's orders.

Now think about how he will be treated by American soldiers, even if he greets them with a gun and is shot dead immediately.

Yes, I would be on TV saying these ridiculous things too.

Originally posted by sycamore
Or Palm Springs?

I hope your 4,000th post doesn't suck as much as that one.

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by dave
I hope your 4,000th post doesn't suck as much as that one.

I was being quite serious...I could see Saddam and the gang, chilling out in Palm Springs, getting some sun, enjoying the nice weather. Much like Idi Amin in Saudi Arabia.

Or at the very least, we could let them live in Detroit...

Yep, it did.

[elSicomoro]

At least that post doesn't suck as bad as the original 4000th post...that didn't come out the way I wanted it to.

Sue me.