The Pussification of the Western Male

SteveDallas · 11-05-2003, 09:01 AM

Comments, please.

The Pussification of the Western Male

(Yes, I picked it up from blog references. You're developing bad habits in me UT!!)

Undertoad · 11-05-2003, 09:12 AM

Mostly wrong, mostly harmless.

Chewbaccus · 11-05-2003, 09:37 AM

Well...there went 20 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

OnyxCougar · 11-05-2003, 12:36 PM

Didn't open.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-05-2003, 07:48 PM

I couldn't open it either?

elSicomoro · 11-05-2003, 07:56 PM

The link currently doesn't work...apparently the demand for the essay killed his webhost's server. You can access it directly from the main page of his site.

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 02:20 PM

well, you're not going to believe this, but my cock grew an inch after I read that article...I feel SO manly now! Excuse me, I have to go beat my wife now. I may even stop by my mom's house and kick her ass for a while too. goddamn single mother!

OnyxCougar · 11-06-2003, 02:39 PM

Well, I read it, and I think he does have a few valid points.

I orginally thought the word to describe the piece was chauvanistic, but according to Wester's online, that means feeling that one gender is superior over the other, and I'm not sure that's what he's saying. I think Kim is saying that the sexes are DIFFERENT, and that's the way he thinks it should be.

One of the statements I disagree with is:

Quote:

What I care about is the fact that since the beginning of the twentieth century, there has been a concerted campaign to denigrate men, to reduce them to figures of fun, and to render them impotent, figuratively speaking.

Please. Just because women wanted to be treated equally in the workplace and in politics and in education doesn't mean women are out to emasculate men. Statements like the above quote take away from the valid points in his diatribe and leave a foul taste for the rest of the piece.

**giggle at lumberjim**

hot_pastrami · 11-06-2003, 04:21 PM

I don't think it's the role of men themselves that has changed, I think it's the "male image," and society's perception which has been altered. I'll betcha the macho-guy-to-pansies ratio is pretty much the same now as it has ever been, it's just that now, society accepts men who aren't macho. Basically, back in the "good old days," most men pretended to be macho to be accepted, but nowadays such men are being themselves.

At any rate, who is this guy to stand up for male sterotypes? If he wants to defend his own manliness, that's fine, but I've got mine covered, thanks. I have my sports car, and my guns, my punching bag, and my big loud stereo... and I wouldn't have married the woman I did if she wanted to change me.

Being a "pussy" as he describes it is a self-caused phenomenon, and such men have no one to blame but themselves. It's like a fat man yelling at the McDonalds order box, his jowls flapping wildly, that he's tired of being obese, and he's not going to take it anymore! Then may I suggest that you reduce your order of fries from Super-size to just Chest-Pains? It's a good start. You dug the grave, so lie down in it, or pull your own ass out.

perth · 11-06-2003, 04:51 PM

So, when I met Case a few years back, I was very much the sensitive type. Listened to a lot of Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, etc. I wore, not the nicest clothes, but I did care about my image. I was the kind of guy the girls wanted to "be friends" with, and more than one simply assumed I was just, well, gay. I was exactly the kind of guy the writer would have thought of as "pussified".

I met Casey, we became "just friends", and long story short, we fell in love and got married. And thats when things started to change for me. I began trying to be macho, trying to be the typical protector / male / bible belt stereotype husband. Mostly, I think, because it was expected of me. My father actually told me shortly after my marriage that I was now the man of the house, and there are things my bride will expect of me. I don't blame him, but I bought into it.

Point is, Casey didn't change me. I changed me. And guess what? She didn't like it. But being the sensitive type, she really didn't say anything for fear of hurting me. So this went on for a few years until I got to a point where I was pretty much an asshole to people. I was impatient, intolerant, arrogant and basically everything your machoman stereotype conjures.

And Casey snapped. Just about the same time I started to realise that I didn't like who I had become. We spent a great deal of time talking about it, and still do. I realised that I could very well lose her if I continued down the path I had started.

So, I guess I'm a recovering machoman. Call me a pussy if you want. But at the end of the day I am what I am, and I thank my lucky stars Casey fell in love with what I am.

And just in case it is offtopic: Yeah, I agree with Pastrami.

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:11 PM

" So, I guess I'm a recovering machoman. Call me a pussy if you want. But at the end of the day I am what I am, and I thank my lucky stars Casey fell in love with what I am."
____________________________________________

pussy

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:11 PM

c'mon, you knew I'd do it!

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:15 PM

but seriously, folks

you don't have to be rude to be macho. Macho means you have confidence in your manliness. Your not ashamed to scratch in public. You don't deny the animal within.

*grunts*

"I am not a "macho man", but I play one in the bedroom"

lumberjim · 11-06-2003, 05:17 PM

Don't worry, perth. you're smart enough, and you're strong enough, and dammit, that's okay.

sincerely,

Stuart Smally

perth · 11-06-2003, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lumberjim
" So, I guess I'm a recovering machoman. Call me a pussy if you want. But at the end of the day I am what I am, and I thank my lucky stars Casey fell in love with what I am."
____________________________________________

pussy

asshole.

11-05-2003, 09:01 AM	#1
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	The Pussification of the Western Male Comments, please. The Pussification of the Western Male (Yes, I picked it up from blog references. You're developing bad habits in me UT!!)

11-05-2003, 09:37 AM	#3
Chewbaccus Freethinker/booter Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 523	Well...there went 20 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. __________________ Like the wise man said: Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

11-05-2003, 12:36 PM	#4
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Didn't open. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-05-2003, 07:48 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I couldn't open it either? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-05-2003, 07:56 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The link currently doesn't work...apparently the demand for the essay killed his webhost's server. You can access it directly from the main page of his site. Last edited by elSicomoro; 11-05-2003 at 08:05 PM.

11-05-2003, 09:12 AM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Mostly wrong, mostly harmless.

11-06-2003, 02:20 PM	#7
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	THANKYOU STEVEDALLAS! well, you're not going to believe this, but my cock grew an inch after I read that article...I feel SO manly now! Excuse me, I have to go beat my wife now. I may even stop by my mom's house and kick her ass for a while too. goddamn single mother! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2003, 04:21 PM	#9
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	I don't think it's the role of men themselves that has changed, I think it's the "male image," and society's perception which has been altered. I'll betcha the macho-guy-to-pansies ratio is pretty much the same now as it has ever been, it's just that now, society accepts men who aren't macho. Basically, back in the "good old days," most men pretended to be macho to be accepted, but nowadays such men are being themselves. At any rate, who is this guy to stand up for male sterotypes? If he wants to defend his own manliness, that's fine, but I've got mine covered, thanks. I have my sports car, and my guns, my punching bag, and my big loud stereo... and I wouldn't have married the woman I did if she wanted to change me. Being a "pussy" as he describes it is a self-caused phenomenon, and such men have no one to blame but themselves. It's like a fat man yelling at the McDonalds order box, his jowls flapping wildly, that he's tired of being obese, and he's not going to take it anymore! Then may I suggest that you reduce your order of fries from Super-size to just Chest-Pains? It's a good start. You dug the grave, so lie down in it, or pull your own ass out. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

11-06-2003, 04:51 PM	#10
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	So, when I met Case a few years back, I was very much the sensitive type. Listened to a lot of Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, etc. I wore, not the nicest clothes, but I did care about my image. I was the kind of guy the girls wanted to "be friends" with, and more than one simply assumed I was just, well, gay. I was exactly the kind of guy the writer would have thought of as "pussified". I met Casey, we became "just friends", and long story short, we fell in love and got married. And thats when things started to change for me. I began trying to be macho, trying to be the typical protector / male / bible belt stereotype husband. Mostly, I think, because it was expected of me. My father actually told me shortly after my marriage that I was now the man of the house, and there are things my bride will expect of me. I don't blame him, but I bought into it. Point is, Casey didn't change me. I changed me. And guess what? She didn't like it. But being the sensitive type, she really didn't say anything for fear of hurting me. So this went on for a few years until I got to a point where I was pretty much an asshole to people. I was impatient, intolerant, arrogant and basically everything your machoman stereotype conjures. And Casey snapped. Just about the same time I started to realise that I didn't like who I had become. We spent a great deal of time talking about it, and still do. I realised that I could very well lose her if I continued down the path I had started. So, I guess I'm a recovering machoman. Call me a pussy if you want. But at the end of the day I am what I am, and I thank my lucky stars Casey fell in love with what I am. And just in case it is offtopic: Yeah, I agree with Pastrami.

11-06-2003, 05:11 PM	#11
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	" So, I guess I'm a recovering machoman. Call me a pussy if you want. But at the end of the day I am what I am, and I thank my lucky stars Casey fell in love with what I am." ____________________________________________ pussy __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2003, 05:11 PM	#12
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	c'mon, you knew I'd do it! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2003, 05:15 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	but seriously, folks you don't have to be rude to be macho. Macho means you have confidence in your manliness. Your not ashamed to scratch in public. You don't deny the animal within. grunts "I am not a "macho man", but I play one in the bedroom" __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-06-2003, 05:17 PM	#14
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Don't worry, perth. you're smart enough, and you're strong enough, and dammit, that's okay. sincerely, Stuart Smally __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan Last edited by lumberjim; 11-06-2003 at 05:19 PM.

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