Debate predictions?

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 07:09 PM

ok, i'll start the thread. tonight is the night that i have heard billed as "Shrek vs. Breck", the quintessential washington insider vs the outsider.

what are your predictions?
how many times do you think we'll hear haliburton and 2 america's(nice soundbytes), vs war on terror and deficit spending (real issues)?

how many minutes into the debate before Edwards uses the patented Bill Clinton hand extension with thumb upward gesture?

how many minutes before Cheney gives one of his ridiculous Shrek looks?

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 07:14 PM

This one's gonna be a draw, I think. Cheney is going to sound like a crotchety piece of shit old man, while Edwards is going to sound too damned syrupy...or like he's going after a car seat maker who made a defective seat.

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 07:18 PM

you're probably right. i still think that if they wanted the race to be better the R's should have fired Rumsfeld and put Cheney back into that position and put McCain in the VP slot (even though i don't really like McCain he would have been a nice balance) and the D's should have gone with an Edwards/Lieberman ticket where they could have maximized Edwards' outsider angle and his smoothness and used Lieberman for substance.

neither ticket would work in reality, but i would rather watch that race.

Happy Monkey · 10-05-2004, 07:25 PM

I'm not a fan of the overly "sincere" jury-addressing manner of Edwards, but the reason he developed it is that it works with most juries, and juries are made up of normal people. And, at least for me, it beats gruff, insistent, lying.

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 07:35 PM

i approach them both the same way i do all people. neither of them is an angel or the devil. they are what they are. completely altruistic sincere people aren't usually found in the national political scene.

Happy Monkey · 10-05-2004, 08:29 PM

Edwards has won. Calling out Cheney for supporting the elimination of the very same weapons systems in particular that they're excoriating Kerry for voting against in an omnibus bill. Cheney's respnse? None.

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 08:36 PM

I don't think so...Cheney has the edge here. Edwards seems impatient...he's jumped the gun on Gwen Iffel a few times and just interrupted Cheney. Plus he addressed Cheney directly...isn't that a no-no in the rules?

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 08:37 PM

you may like what edwards is saying, but he is coming off as a smug punk kid, trying to one up his elder. (who looks like a grumpy old man)

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 08:41 PM

It's even again...Cheney just sounded so stupid in his last 30-second comment.

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Edwards has won. Calling out Cheney for supporting the elimination of the very same weapons systems in particular that they're excoriating Kerry for voting against in an omnibus bill. Cheney's respnse? None.

BTW - just like it is somewhat misleading that kerry voted against the $87B before.....

Cheney was a major part of the reform movement in the congress in the early '80s who were working with Boyd and the acolytes in the pentagon to circumvent the normal corrupt R & D process. so he did vote against versions of each of the programs, but not the programs themselves.
example: the original bradley design was so flawed that the army didn't want to live fire test it before production. when they were forced to they tried using a half charge rpg, and filled the gas tanks with water so that it wouldn't explode.
the F15 and F16's that the old line pentagon brass were trying to push through were nearly double their needed wait and goldplated with useless features - cheney campaigned against these iterations of the design.

but cheney realizes that if he tries to explain that he will come off sounding like kerry with his 10 different reasons for his vote.

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 08:47 PM

Cheney is starting to recycle lines--"his record speaks for itself."

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 08:47 PM

"i did talk about israel... he didn't"

hahahahaha

these 2 are getting downright pissy with eachother. what a contrast with the cheney/lieberman debate.

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 08:50 PM

Edwards is edging ahead, though the sniping is pretty silly.

lookout123 · 10-05-2004, 08:51 PM

cheney didn't answer well, but edwards jobs info is old.

elSicomoro · 10-05-2004, 08:58 PM

Edwards has danced around the last few topics...Cheney seemed irritated by the same-sex question.

10-05-2004, 07:09 PM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Debate predictions? ok, i'll start the thread. tonight is the night that i have heard billed as "Shrek vs. Breck", the quintessential washington insider vs the outsider. what are your predictions? how many times do you think we'll hear haliburton and 2 america's(nice soundbytes), vs war on terror and deficit spending (real issues)? how many minutes into the debate before Edwards uses the patented Bill Clinton hand extension with thumb upward gesture? how many minutes before Cheney gives one of his ridiculous Shrek looks? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 07:18 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you're probably right. i still think that if they wanted the race to be better the R's should have fired Rumsfeld and put Cheney back into that position and put McCain in the VP slot (even though i don't really like McCain he would have been a nice balance) and the D's should have gone with an Edwards/Lieberman ticket where they could have maximized Edwards' outsider angle and his smoothness and used Lieberman for substance. neither ticket would work in reality, but i would rather watch that race. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 07:25 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I'm not a fan of the overly "sincere" jury-addressing manner of Edwards, but the reason he developed it is that it works with most juries, and juries are made up of normal people. And, at least for me, it beats gruff, insistent, lying. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-05-2004, 07:35 PM	#5
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i approach them both the same way i do all people. neither of them is an angel or the devil. they are what they are. completely altruistic sincere people aren't usually found in the national political scene. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 08:29 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Edwards has won. Calling out Cheney for supporting the elimination of the very same weapons systems in particular that they're excoriating Kerry for voting against in an omnibus bill. Cheney's respnse? None. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-05-2004, 07:14 PM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	This one's gonna be a draw, I think. Cheney is going to sound like a crotchety piece of shit old man, while Edwards is going to sound too damned syrupy...or like he's going after a car seat maker who made a defective seat.

10-05-2004, 08:36 PM	#7
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I don't think so...Cheney has the edge here. Edwards seems impatient...he's jumped the gun on Gwen Iffel a few times and just interrupted Cheney. Plus he addressed Cheney directly...isn't that a no-no in the rules?

10-05-2004, 08:37 PM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you may like what edwards is saying, but he is coming off as a smug punk kid, trying to one up his elder. (who looks like a grumpy old man) __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 08:41 PM	#9
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	It's even again...Cheney just sounded so stupid in his last 30-second comment.

10-05-2004, 08:47 PM	#11
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Cheney is starting to recycle lines--"his record speaks for itself."

10-05-2004, 08:50 PM	#13
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Edwards is edging ahead, though the sniping is pretty silly.

10-05-2004, 08:51 PM	#14
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	cheney didn't answer well, but edwards jobs info is old. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 08:58 PM	#15
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Edwards has danced around the last few topics...Cheney seemed irritated by the same-sex question.

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