tw & me

[busterb]

TW. How about give us a break? I would love to pee on GWB, but hell Posting the almost same shit in so may threads sucks.
ME. Thanks for the link in ever thread on this board

[Troubleshooter]

Sounds like a title for a television show.

"TW and Me: Life with an STD"

[tw]

Originally Posted by busterb

TW. How about give us a break? I would love to pee on GWB, but hell Posting the almost same shit in so may threads sucks.

When a man screws millions of people - and just sits on his thing looking presidential - then one cannot say enough times what the man really is. Today - how many days after the disaster - finally the first few American choppers have arrived. Did they off load the jets to make room for more choppers? No. They only have the few choppers that come with the battle group. Apparantly the Abe Lincoln was sitting in the area for days waiting to be dispatched. Then had no time to get more of the right aircraft. A Marine Expeditionary force that was desperately needed last Monday - is still in the South China sea and will not arrive until next week. The convoy of food from Guam that could not start until the president could make a deicison. That will take another two weeks. In the meantime, the one force that is larger than all other countries combined sat there for five days waiting to be told a disaster had occurred. This is not about hate of GWB. This is a classic example of defective and MBA trained management - and thousands of people who died as a result. If these people had been Americans, we would be talking of impeachment. He was that bad. He waited for world condemnation to tell him what his job was.

People died in the thousands only because a mental midget president is just that. These are facts so grave as to be stated bluntly. They must be. George Jr caused the death of 98,000 Iraqis. Now he let thousands die in the Indian Ocean by stifling Americans who desperately wanted to help. For five days, the American government with the best response in the region, instead did nothing. Please - anyone - tell me where the 'moral' is in this man. We are talking about leadership abilities and citing the worst - George Jr - as a #1 example. Those who don't like it need not read it. But it is a fact that few here want to admit.

What striked me most? This is the same "don't worry, be happy" silence from so many here when George Jr outrightly lied about and invaded Iraq. At what point do Americans worry about their own future and reponsbilities? Acting this way only makes "Ugly Americans".

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by tw

Please - anyone - tell me where the 'moral' is in this man. We are talking about leadership abilities and citing the worst - George Jr - as a #1 example. Those who don't like it need not read it. But it is a fact that few here want to admit.

Who doesn't want to admit it? I've seen NUMEROUS people standing up and saying "Hell yeah, the dude's an idjit." (paraphrasing.. )

What striked me most? This is the same "don't worry, be happy" silence from so many here when George Jr outrightly lied about and invaded Iraq. At what point do Americans worry about their own future and reponsbilities? Acting this way only makes "Ugly Americans".

There was hardly silence.

You're just as guilty of spin as the media. Shame on you.

[Undertoad]

And if those choppers show up with clean underwear when what the people need is clean water, or vice-versa, so what- the important thing is to get there first, so that we LOOK like we care. Sort of like the old approach to such things - just give a bunch of money to ineffective groups to dole out what looks like aid on camera. Or run into Somalia with humanitarian purposes in mind and get horribly involved in the politics by accident. Boy, at least we LOOKED like we cared back then eh?

[OnyxCougar]

In the other thread, the article posted about sri lanka...mentions that US planes were already there...

So maybe...just possibly.. TW doesn't know the full story?

[Undertoad]

Well that's why I decided to poke tw on this... he never answered my questions about the C-130s.

[busterb]

TW. If you'll start a recall, impeachment I'll be one of the frist to sign it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And if those choppers show up with clean underwear when what the people need is clean water, or vice-versa, so what- the important thing is to get there first, so that we LOOK like we care.

Problem with that reasoning is that all that stuff now being distributed is exactly what was sitting on those ships one week ago. And yes, those ships even carry water purification systems that can be deployed immediately. Those ships sat three days away with so much of what the disaster needed - including transport to get it there. UT, your reasoning is correct if the ships did not have what was needed on day one. Using only what was already onboard, those ships are finally deploying what was needed one week ago. Americans had ready to deploy one week ago the foods, medicines, medical aid, water purifiaction system, tents, etc that were desperately needed. Stifled for five days until George Jr could make a deicison.

[wolf]

If you drop supplies on a dock to rot, or get stolen, or held and defended by the strongest motherfucker in the area, you have served no useful purpose.

Relief work is not just about getting the right supplies to the right place. It's about getting them distributed to the people who actually need them. You also have to look at what you're handing out — What use is a ton of dried milk and rice if you don't also have clean water?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well that's why I decided to poke tw on this... he never answered my questions about the C-130s.

Six C-130s (medium transport planes) constitutes a response to 5 million people? They needed thousands of transport planes. They need people on the ground to unload and distribute that aid. And they need cooridinators (ie air traffic control) that comes with the first 100 planes. Tell me what six C-130s are other than a politically correct response.

A drop of water in the barrel - and then proclaim to the world that George Jr is a 'moral' man? That's bull. That is why the US again looked so foolish in the eyes of the world. In the meantime little countries such as New Zealand and Australia were crowding the runways with assistance.

What first responders need is not difficult. Food. Shelter. Medical teams with medicines. Clean water. Blankets. Literally the basic materials to save and maintain life ... for 5 million people. And so we sent 6 C-130s and P-3 Orions. What do P-3 Orions normally do? Hunt submarines. Where is aid being delivered by P-3 Orions survelliance planes?

Onyxcougar - which planes were in Sri Lanka days after the Tsunami? P-3 Orions? Anti-submarine warfare planes? Or planes with supplies. Tell me. What planes did the president send to Sri Lanka?

[tw]

Originally Posted by wolf

If you drop supplies on a dock to rot, or get stolen, or held and defended by the strongest motherfucker in the area, you have served no useful purpose.

Relief work is not just about getting the right supplies to the right place. It's about getting them distributed to the people who actually need them. You also have to look at what you're handing out — What use is a ton of dried milk and rice if you don't also have clean water?

Exactly. So where are the people on the ground to distribute even the paltry aid from six C-130s. What was most needed immediately in those countries with the food, water, etc? What were the countries requesting first and foremost? People on the ground who could distribute the aid. Did American send even that in the first 5 days? Of course not. We sent some small transports - C-130s - and not even the ground crews to start the distribution.

America has abilities to repair airstrips and provide air traffic control to any airport immediately. But it too sat stifled for five days while a president decided to make a decision. Fortuntately other nations are responsible.

Did America deploy such abillities in the first week? No. Only one thing stopped the American government response. George Jr had to make a decision. One week too late - this stuff is finally moving.

BTW why are airstrips so congested? Why do they need so many more feet on the ground to distribute a conjestion of supplies at the airstrips? Because so many supplies were flown in by tiny New Zealand and Australia when they were most needed. They could not put enough feet into the distribution system. However those others who are truly 'moral' responded immediately when most needed - while America waited for George Jr to decide this was a disaster.

[wolf]

*sigh*

thanks, buster, for giving him a fifth thread.

Just for tidiness sake, tw, could you go back to the best and worst of 2004 that you thread pirated on this topic, just to keep it all in one place?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by tw

Six C-130s (medium transport planes) constitutes a response to 5 million people? They needed thousands of transport planes. They need people on the ground to unload and distribute that aid. And they need cooridinators (ie air traffic control) that comes with the first 100 planes. Tell me what six C-130s are other than a politically correct response.

What is your problem?

You act like these people are a bunch of idiots that can't co-ordinate or communicate. There are people in EVERY country who are responsible for COORDINATION of relief efforts and COMMUNICATING those needs to relief agencies and foreign governments.

As it's been stated already 3 or 4 times, we have to wait for those needs to be communicated to us and permission granted before we go charging in to the rescue.

A drop of water in the barrel - and then proclaim to the world that George Jr is a 'moral' man? That's bull. That is why the US again looked so foolish in the eyes of the world. In the meantime little countries such as New Zealand and Australia were crowding the runways with assistance.

OK. Cite for me the day and time at which need was communicated to all the countries you're listing off, and their response, and at what time the planes from the GOVERNMENTS (not relief agencies) landed in each country affected.

Until you have that information, quit yer bitchin.

What first responders need is not difficult. Food. Shelter. Medical teams with medicines. Clean water. Blankets. Literally the basic materials to save and maintain life ... for 5 million people. And so we sent 6 C-130s and P-3 Orions. What do P-3 Orions normally do? Hunt submarines. Where is aid being delivered by P-3 Orions survelliance planes?

See above.

Onyxcougar - which planes were in Sri Lanka days after the Tsunami? P-3 Orions? Anti-submarine warfare planes? Or planes with supplies. Tell me. What planes did the president send to Sri Lanka?

I don't know, TW, because I WASN'T THERE and *gasp* neither were you. Why don't you ask the person who wrote the article.

Duh.

[busterb]

Wouldn't surprise me if some of the first supplies contained Spam & canned ham. Which the Muslims might not eat.